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Yes, because much of what trump is criticized for is objectively bad. I will shit on his actions and policies openly, knowing that (for example) the only people

Yes, because much of what trump is criticized for is objectively bad. I will shit on his actions and policies openly, knowing that (for example) the only people who were really invested in keeping confederate statues in place are hiding some deeply distasteful views and should be flushed out.

rainyMammoth 6y ago
This strikes me as extremely simplistic. So you want to "flush out" about 50% of the American electorate? Don't you think there are some nuances there? You realize that there are non-coastal corporation that are the exact opposite and they believe as strongly as you that people like you must be "flushed out" ? America is in trouble...
- adamsea 6y ago
  1. 50% of the voting electorate did not vote for Trump. 2. The parent post said "flush out the views", not flush out the people.
  - adamsea 6y ago
    Curious what motivated folks to downvote this. Both points I made are pretty straightforward facts.
    - pandaman 6y ago
      #1 is irrelevant, nobody said that 50% of electorate voted for Trump so this looks like a straw man attack. #2 is claiming that in the phrase "the only people who were really invested in keeping confederate statues in place are hiding some deeply distasteful views and should be flushed out" should be flushed out applies to views and not people. I am not a native English speaker but it does not appear a fact, much less a straightforward one. In the pattern "X is Y and should be Z" Z applies to X and not Y in my understanding.
      - adamsea 6y ago
        Ah, well, parent post said "So you want to "flush out" about 50% of the American electorate? " I thought that meant parent was saying about 50% of the electorate voted for Trump but I could have misinterpreted. OK yeah that's a good point. I was wrong.
- rhizome 6y ago
  Support among the American electorate for Confederate flags and statues and government facility names referencing Confederate historical figures is much less than 50%.
briandear 6y ago
> objectively bad What? “Bad” is an opinion. Pretty hard to argue objectively bad.
- halostatue 6y ago
  Putting kids in cages as policy is objectively bad (it’s also immoral and against international law, but if there’s anything that the Republicans and Trump have proven over the last four years/decades…they don’t actually care about obeying the law, just other people obeying _their_ laws). It’s pretty damned easy to argue objectively bad. It’s lazy to argue that “bad” is merely an opinion when there’s some pretty clear examples that prove you wrong. Would you prefer that we call Trump’s policies “evil” (which I believe that they are, but usually avoid that term because it typically has a metaphysical meaning people associate with it that I don’t mean as someone who doesn’t _do_ metaphysics of any sort)?
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    No kids were 'put in cages,' outside of normal detention processes that predated Trump and even some of the Obama era. If you only get your news from your "trusted source" you're going to get it wrong. The world media is horrifically bad; and nothing show it more than Portland. No one is covering the violence. Not one ABC clip covers the rioters breaking fences or setting things on fire. The NY Times recent video places the blame on untrained DHS/US Marshalls while independent journalists like Andy Ngo show the constantly destruction every night. Modern US journalism is yellow to its core. It's so limited, so one-directional, so divisive and so misleading that everyone should greatly question the narratives put before us and view every alternative before coming to a conclusion.
    - halostatue 6y ago
      Sorry, but there are _not_ good people on both sides when one side is intent on the dehumanization of people not like them. The violence at the protests is _initiated_ primarily by the police reacting against calls for their accountability. There are police shooting journalists, medics, and legal observers in the head. And yes, there have been kids in cages without sufficient care given: https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b2af0921ae66238008b5360-1920-960.jpg https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b2af0921ae66238008b5... Please, try again, without the bothsidesism nonsense.

rainyMammoth 6y ago

This strikes me as extremely simplistic. So you want to "flush out" about 50% of the American electorate? Don't you think there are some nuances there? You realize that there are non-coastal corporation that are the exact opposite and they believe as strongly as you that people like you must be "flushed out" ? America is in trouble...

adamsea 6y ago
1. 50% of the voting electorate did not vote for Trump. 2. The parent post said "flush out the views", not flush out the people.
- adamsea 6y ago
  Curious what motivated folks to downvote this. Both points I made are pretty straightforward facts.
  - pandaman 6y ago
    #1 is irrelevant, nobody said that 50% of electorate voted for Trump so this looks like a straw man attack. #2 is claiming that in the phrase "the only people who were really invested in keeping confederate statues in place are hiding some deeply distasteful views and should be flushed out" should be flushed out applies to views and not people. I am not a native English speaker but it does not appear a fact, much less a straightforward one. In the pattern "X is Y and should be Z" Z applies to X and not Y in my understanding.
    - adamsea 6y ago
      Ah, well, parent post said "So you want to "flush out" about 50% of the American electorate? " I thought that meant parent was saying about 50% of the electorate voted for Trump but I could have misinterpreted. OK yeah that's a good point. I was wrong.
rhizome 6y ago
Support among the American electorate for Confederate flags and statues and government facility names referencing Confederate historical figures is much less than 50%.

briandear 6y ago

> objectively bad What? “Bad” is an opinion. Pretty hard to argue objectively bad.

halostatue 6y ago
Putting kids in cages as policy is objectively bad (it’s also immoral and against international law, but if there’s anything that the Republicans and Trump have proven over the last four years/decades…they don’t actually care about obeying the law, just other people obeying _their_ laws). It’s pretty damned easy to argue objectively bad. It’s lazy to argue that “bad” is merely an opinion when there’s some pretty clear examples that prove you wrong. Would you prefer that we call Trump’s policies “evil” (which I believe that they are, but usually avoid that term because it typically has a metaphysical meaning people associate with it that I don’t mean as someone who doesn’t _do_ metaphysics of any sort)?
- djsumdog 6y ago
  No kids were 'put in cages,' outside of normal detention processes that predated Trump and even some of the Obama era. If you only get your news from your "trusted source" you're going to get it wrong. The world media is horrifically bad; and nothing show it more than Portland. No one is covering the violence. Not one ABC clip covers the rioters breaking fences or setting things on fire. The NY Times recent video places the blame on untrained DHS/US Marshalls while independent journalists like Andy Ngo show the constantly destruction every night. Modern US journalism is yellow to its core. It's so limited, so one-directional, so divisive and so misleading that everyone should greatly question the narratives put before us and view every alternative before coming to a conclusion.
  - halostatue 6y ago
    Sorry, but there are _not_ good people on both sides when one side is intent on the dehumanization of people not like them. The violence at the protests is _initiated_ primarily by the police reacting against calls for their accountability. There are police shooting journalists, medics, and legal observers in the head. And yes, there have been kids in cages without sufficient care given: https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b2af0921ae66238008b5360-1920-960.jpg https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b2af0921ae66238008b5... Please, try again, without the bothsidesism nonsense.