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You have the option to do AOSP at least. What do you have with Apple ? Why don't you apply the same yardstick to them ? Can you flash your own bits on an iPhone

You have the option to do AOSP at least. What do you have with Apple ? Why don't you apply the same yardstick to them ? Can you flash your own bits on an iPhone ?

wongarsu 6y ago
Apple seems to respect privacy a lot more and delivers updates for basically the phone's usable life. That removes the top two reasons for flashing your phone.
propogandist 6y ago
AOSP and the "openness" of Android is responsible for its global domination and success. I've been a big Android advocate for over a decade, but I am not a fan of what's happening and what Google's been doing as of late. Everything seems to be headed down a path to make Android like iOS, where it's more locked down and controlled... and this is the concern. I don't trust Apple much and don't hold them to any high standard. I am not a fan of their locked down ecosystem and their moves to remove things like headphones, which become accepted as industry norms. We know they sell overpriced hardware and ads are not a core business for them, it's the big thing that enables people to trust their [recent] "privacy" marketing. Now that they've made a big deal about it, we can expect them to (atleast) protect their brand aggressively and try to not screw things up. As much as I hate to say it, I am going to give iOS a trial run soon. I've gotten custom ROMs on my phone in the past to remove analytics SDK, trackers, and other hostile app functions that tries to exfiltrate data from my device without my knowledge. If I have to give up some OS level leverage to get more control over my user data overall, I'll consider it.
Arbalest 6y ago
At least with iPhone no one was under any illusions about the walled garden. Google seems to have adopted EEE from the Microsoft playbook. Even if we say, well they created android, it's more they embraced the enthusiasm of a community who appreciates openness.
- mav3rick 6y ago
  Just put "EEE" everywhere. Google brought Android, AOSP is still open and 99% of Android users don't care about whether this is on github or not.

You have the option to do AOSP at least. What do you have with Apple ? Why don't you apply the same yardstick to them ? Can you flash your own bits on an iPhone ?

wongarsu 6y ago

Apple seems to respect privacy a lot more and delivers updates for basically the phone's usable life. That removes the top two reasons for flashing your phone.

propogandist 6y ago

AOSP and the "openness" of Android is responsible for its global domination and success. I've been a big Android advocate for over a decade, but I am not a fan of what's happening and what Google's been doing as of late. Everything seems to be headed down a path to make Android like iOS, where it's more locked down and controlled... and this is the concern. I don't trust Apple much and don't hold them to any high standard. I am not a fan of their locked down ecosystem and their moves to remove things like headphones, which become accepted as industry norms. We know they sell overpriced hardware and ads are not a core business for them, it's the big thing that enables people to trust their [recent] "privacy" marketing. Now that they've made a big deal about it, we can expect them to (atleast) protect their brand aggressively and try to not screw things up. As much as I hate to say it, I am going to give iOS a trial run soon. I've gotten custom ROMs on my phone in the past to remove analytics SDK, trackers, and other hostile app functions that tries to exfiltrate data from my device without my knowledge. If I have to give up some OS level leverage to get more control over my user data overall, I'll consider it.

Arbalest 6y ago

At least with iPhone no one was under any illusions about the walled garden. Google seems to have adopted EEE from the Microsoft playbook. Even if we say, well they created android, it's more they embraced the enthusiasm of a community who appreciates openness.

mav3rick 6y ago
Just put "EEE" everywhere. Google brought Android, AOSP is still open and 99% of Android users don't care about whether this is on github or not.