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This statement is filled with qualifications that render it mostly meaningless. "Good enough," "significantly better," etc., are ill-defined and leave room for

by bsanr2 6y ago

This statement is filled with qualifications that render it mostly meaningless. "Good enough," "significantly better," etc., are ill-defined and leave room for the weaseling that crashes any notion of a society that is even mostly meritocratic. Even approaching a 50/50 chance that your outcome is a crapshoot or else weighted by unrelated cultural artifacts is unacceptable. >Compare that to India where if you are born into a low caste you can't do anything. Black men born into the top quintile of family wealth are as likely as black men born in the bottom quintile to die in the bottom quintile. White men born in the top quintile are highly unlikely to drop even to the next lowest quintile. Americans criticizing India's caste system is laughable.

rowanG077 6y ago
Of course the adjectives I'm using are in relative terms rather then absolute. There doesn't exist an absolute measure on how meritocratic a society is. But it's very clear that US society most certainly is a more meritocratic then most other societies. > Black men born into the top quintile of family wealth are as likely as black men born in the bottom quintile to die in the bottom quintile. White men born in the top quintile are highly unlikely to drop even to the next lowest quintile. Americans criticizing India's caste system is laughable. First of all I'm not an American. It's quite funny that you criticize me for not using precise and absolute terms while you yourself use the same terms. Your point is even self-defeating. That a black family(which you indirectly compare to a low cast family in India, which I don't agree with. But that's beside the point.) can be in the top quintile already means that the situation in America is vastly better then in India.
- bsanr2 6y ago
  How can something that you claim is unmeasurable possibly be clear enough to pass such judgment on? You're not making sense. >First of all I'm not an American. I'd like to know what then qualifies you to make these statements. With this: >That a black family(which you indirectly compare to a low cast family in India, which I don't agree with. But that's beside the point.) can be in the top quintile already means that the situation in America is vastly better then in India. you're revealing a poor understanding of racial and social dynamics in America. Perhaps of India, too; there are Dalit millionaires, after all.
  - rowanG077 6y ago
    I don't claim it's unmeasurable. I claim there is no absolute scale. That's very different from eachother. This conversation doesn't make sense for me to continue since you keep assuming things about me and claiming I said things I never said. I don't like such bad faith arguments.

by bsanr2 6y ago

rowanG077 6y ago

Of course the adjectives I'm using are in relative terms rather then absolute. There doesn't exist an absolute measure on how meritocratic a society is. But it's very clear that US society most certainly is a more meritocratic then most other societies. > Black men born into the top quintile of family wealth are as likely as black men born in the bottom quintile to die in the bottom quintile. White men born in the top quintile are highly unlikely to drop even to the next lowest quintile. Americans criticizing India's caste system is laughable. First of all I'm not an American. It's quite funny that you criticize me for not using precise and absolute terms while you yourself use the same terms. Your point is even self-defeating. That a black family(which you indirectly compare to a low cast family in India, which I don't agree with. But that's beside the point.) can be in the top quintile already means that the situation in America is vastly better then in India.

bsanr2 6y ago
How can something that you claim is unmeasurable possibly be clear enough to pass such judgment on? You're not making sense. >First of all I'm not an American. I'd like to know what then qualifies you to make these statements. With this: >That a black family(which you indirectly compare to a low cast family in India, which I don't agree with. But that's beside the point.) can be in the top quintile already means that the situation in America is vastly better then in India. you're revealing a poor understanding of racial and social dynamics in America. Perhaps of India, too; there are Dalit millionaires, after all.
- rowanG077 6y ago
  I don't claim it's unmeasurable. I claim there is no absolute scale. That's very different from eachother. This conversation doesn't make sense for me to continue since you keep assuming things about me and claiming I said things I never said. I don't like such bad faith arguments.