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If anything dreamwidth is closer to livejournal. Livejournal predates tubmlr by years and years, but there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for re

If anything dreamwidth is closer to livejournal. Livejournal predates tubmlr by years and years, but there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember.

meristem 6y ago
Initial migration: LiveJournal was purchased by a Russian company. Users did not believe their data would be safe.
- duskwuff 6y ago
  And a massive leak of plaintext (!) passwords last year [1] would indicate that users were correct. [1]: https://www.zdnet.com/article/26-million-livejournal-credentials-leaked-online-sold-on-the-dark-web/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/26-million-livejournal-credent...
- filmgirlcw 6y ago
  And even before that, there was this great purging of fanfic and other communities from LiveJournal by Six Apart (the then owners) that had people looking for alternatives, and you had a slew of LJ-alternatives built from the same code base pop up. My memory for internet dramas is fading a bit, but I think it was both the sale to SUP (the Russian company) and the content policy changes (and the fears were only stronger under a Russian owner) that led to the massive LiveJournal diasporas to Tumblr (which was new, launching in early 2007), and the various LJ clones/forks like Dreamwidth, JournalFen, DeadJournal, InsaneJournal, etc. As far as I know, Dreamwidth is the only one of the clones/forks that not only still exists, but is maintained, which is really incredible.
lucb1e 6y ago
> dreamwidth is closer to livejournal I've never been on livejournal, no idea what that looks like. I saw elsewhere in the thread it's a fork from Livejournal's code; it just reminded me of Tumblr.
- filmgirlcw 6y ago
  Which makes sense! Many features from Tumblr and even Facebook, were first implemented by LiveJournal. The idea of having a “friends list,” as well as the separation between just following someone or having them also follow you (hence, being “mutuals” or “friends” in LJ parlance), the idea of broad tagging across the network or within specific communities, the existence of multi-author blogs (LJ communities, essentially), the ability to see and intermixed chronological feed of posts from your friends/people/communities. Oh, and the birth of Memached and OpenID (which was essentially the precursor for OAuth). Tumblr introduced and pioneered the concept of the reblog, which was similar to a trackback/pingback in blog parlance, except turned on its head.
goatinaboat 6y ago
there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember Livejournal became associated with CP thinly disguised as fanfic. Think Snape and an underage Harry Potter kind of stuff. It was sold to the Russians after its value imploded because all the English-speaking normal users left. The Russian content on there now is as far as I know innocuous; that kind of fanfic is mainly a Western thing.
- lucb1e 6y ago
  I find it weird that drawn child porn is illegal actually. It's as if drawing murder or rape would be illegal. Don't get me wrong, I understand 100% the people that find the idea repulsive, would never want to accidentally see it, etc. But that's the same with gore / gruesome scenes: I really don't want to see that, either. That's not what makes something illegal. It might also depend on research into whether it makes pedophiles more likely to act on their feelings. If it's shown that pedophiles viewing drawn child porn has adverse effects, it should indeed not be allowed; but I never read about it having such an effect. So far as I know it doesn't hurt anyone.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    There is a significant amount of research showing that pedophiles viewing simulated pornography has adverse effects, including but not limited to increasing their appetite for consuming more of it.
    - claudiawerner 6y ago
      Would you care to point to any of this research? Specifically the link between viewing simulated pornography and appetite for consuming real-world material, or abusing children. Further, is there any evidence that the majority of people who read simulated depictions (like underage Harry Potter fanfic) are pedophiles? Does the link similarly exist for other forms of pornography? How does fanfiction or erotica compare to visual artwork in this regard? There's ethnographic evidence (see Patrick Galbraith, Mark McLelland, Suzanne Ost) of such fans from Japan that the assumption they are pedophiles, or that they carry over their desires from "2D" to "3D" is dubious at best. The English government, when banning virtual depictions of fictional characters, admitted they had no evidence on its effects, mode of usage, or popularity among any particular group.

If anything dreamwidth is closer to livejournal. Livejournal predates tubmlr by years and years, but there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember.

meristem 6y ago

Initial migration: LiveJournal was purchased by a Russian company. Users did not believe their data would be safe.

duskwuff 6y ago
And a massive leak of plaintext (!) passwords last year [1] would indicate that users were correct. [1]: https://www.zdnet.com/article/26-million-livejournal-credentials-leaked-online-sold-on-the-dark-web/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/26-million-livejournal-credent...
filmgirlcw 6y ago
And even before that, there was this great purging of fanfic and other communities from LiveJournal by Six Apart (the then owners) that had people looking for alternatives, and you had a slew of LJ-alternatives built from the same code base pop up. My memory for internet dramas is fading a bit, but I think it was both the sale to SUP (the Russian company) and the content policy changes (and the fears were only stronger under a Russian owner) that led to the massive LiveJournal diasporas to Tumblr (which was new, launching in early 2007), and the various LJ clones/forks like Dreamwidth, JournalFen, DeadJournal, InsaneJournal, etc. As far as I know, Dreamwidth is the only one of the clones/forks that not only still exists, but is maintained, which is really incredible.

lucb1e 6y ago

> dreamwidth is closer to livejournal I've never been on livejournal, no idea what that looks like. I saw elsewhere in the thread it's a fork from Livejournal's code; it just reminded me of Tumblr.

filmgirlcw 6y ago
Which makes sense! Many features from Tumblr and even Facebook, were first implemented by LiveJournal. The idea of having a “friends list,” as well as the separation between just following someone or having them also follow you (hence, being “mutuals” or “friends” in LJ parlance), the idea of broad tagging across the network or within specific communities, the existence of multi-author blogs (LJ communities, essentially), the ability to see and intermixed chronological feed of posts from your friends/people/communities. Oh, and the birth of Memached and OpenID (which was essentially the precursor for OAuth). Tumblr introduced and pioneered the concept of the reblog, which was similar to a trackback/pingback in blog parlance, except turned on its head.

goatinaboat 6y ago

there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember Livejournal became associated with CP thinly disguised as fanfic. Think Snape and an underage Harry Potter kind of stuff. It was sold to the Russians after its value imploded because all the English-speaking normal users left. The Russian content on there now is as far as I know innocuous; that kind of fanfic is mainly a Western thing.

lucb1e 6y ago
I find it weird that drawn child porn is illegal actually. It's as if drawing murder or rape would be illegal. Don't get me wrong, I understand 100% the people that find the idea repulsive, would never want to accidentally see it, etc. But that's the same with gore / gruesome scenes: I really don't want to see that, either. That's not what makes something illegal. It might also depend on research into whether it makes pedophiles more likely to act on their feelings. If it's shown that pedophiles viewing drawn child porn has adverse effects, it should indeed not be allowed; but I never read about it having such an effect. So far as I know it doesn't hurt anyone.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  There is a significant amount of research showing that pedophiles viewing simulated pornography has adverse effects, including but not limited to increasing their appetite for consuming more of it.
  - claudiawerner 6y ago
    Would you care to point to any of this research? Specifically the link between viewing simulated pornography and appetite for consuming real-world material, or abusing children. Further, is there any evidence that the majority of people who read simulated depictions (like underage Harry Potter fanfic) are pedophiles? Does the link similarly exist for other forms of pornography? How does fanfiction or erotica compare to visual artwork in this regard? There's ethnographic evidence (see Patrick Galbraith, Mark McLelland, Suzanne Ost) of such fans from Japan that the assumption they are pedophiles, or that they carry over their desires from "2D" to "3D" is dubious at best. The English government, when banning virtual depictions of fictional characters, admitted they had no evidence on its effects, mode of usage, or popularity among any particular group.