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> In my experience, this an unusual opinion It can't be too unusual; I've seen this critique shared in forums, to which you've replied, for years. I've seen d

by jb1991 6y ago

> In my experience, this an unusual opinion It can't be too unusual; I've seen this critique shared in forums, to which you've replied, for years. I've seen developers remark how turned off they got by reading stuff like this on its front page, which is frankly just noise and undermines the goals of a serious project: > re-frame is lucky enough to enjoy an unfair advantage...When we use Lisp, we get to leverage 50 years of foliated excellence from the very best minds available. I mean, come on. The very best minds work in many different fields with many different languages. Lisp doesn't own the best minds, and neither does re-frame. The fact that lisp or Fortran or other languages have been around for many decades is kinda irrelevant, and this writing style permeates all the docs. > Travel the geodesic. > an immaculate hammock conception The heart of the how-tos is often hidden in lengthy prose that celebrates itself.

pinchhit 6y ago
> I've seen developers remark how turned off they got by reading stuff like this on its front page, which is frankly just noise and undermines the goals of a serious project: This was exactly my experience. Professional clojurescript developer using re-frame, but not typically one to chat on forums. I wouldn't have shared this opinion until prompted to by this forum, but it's an opinion I've held privately for longer.
- b4ke 6y ago
  then maybe the goal isn't to be a serious project in the context upon which you apply that classification.
MikeOfAu 6y ago
> It can't be too unusual; I've seen this critique shared in forums, to which you've replied, for years. In this thread, I was responding to someone saying the concepts were simple but explained with too many buzzwords. I certainly have no recollection of someone of someone saying that before. On the other hand, I have heard some say they'd want more code examples earlier. And, just as soon as I get time I'll be doing that. Unless you want to supply a PR yourself - given your posting frequency you seem very, very invested.
- jb1991 6y ago
  My apologies again for the negative tone of my comment. I've had a bad day and I let it bleed into my remarks here.

by jb1991 6y ago

pinchhit 6y ago

> I've seen developers remark how turned off they got by reading stuff like this on its front page, which is frankly just noise and undermines the goals of a serious project: This was exactly my experience. Professional clojurescript developer using re-frame, but not typically one to chat on forums. I wouldn't have shared this opinion until prompted to by this forum, but it's an opinion I've held privately for longer.

b4ke 6y ago
then maybe the goal isn't to be a serious project in the context upon which you apply that classification.

MikeOfAu 6y ago

> It can't be too unusual; I've seen this critique shared in forums, to which you've replied, for years. In this thread, I was responding to someone saying the concepts were simple but explained with too many buzzwords. I certainly have no recollection of someone of someone saying that before. On the other hand, I have heard some say they'd want more code examples earlier. And, just as soon as I get time I'll be doing that. Unless you want to supply a PR yourself - given your posting frequency you seem very, very invested.

jb1991 6y ago
My apologies again for the negative tone of my comment. I've had a bad day and I let it bleed into my remarks here.