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Didn’t HN collectively loose their s..t when Microsoft did something similar with Win 10 telemetry?

by jevgeni 6y ago

fxtentacle 6y ago
The difference appears to be that by now, everyone is kind of used to this behavior from Google.
- jevgeni 6y ago
  True. I also think the techbro meme of “M$ bad, Google good” still has a certain hold on people's minds.
  - ta17711771 6y ago
    Project Zero, their general position in security-first¹, and nice hardware have me sticking around, even though I can't stand their methods and mission (ad dollars by any means). ¹Watch out for your privacy, though, if you don't remove Google "services" from your devices.
  - fierarul 6y ago
    On the contrary, the current tech bro pretty much loves Microsoft ever since the cool CEO took over and deeply distrusts Google.
    - jevgeni 6y ago
      I'd bet it has less to do with the cool CEO and more with the plethora of useful devtools and tech released by Microsoft lately. Also, being able to reach a person on the phone regarding my Azure billing was radically different to being in contact (or lack thereof) with Google.
    - fxtentacle 6y ago
      I'd attribute that to the fact that they actually have support. My MSDN subscription once had a problem activating, but it was quick and painless to solve by calling them. That alone makes them feel a lot more humane than Google, where you have to be lucky to ever reach a person even with critical problems like data loss inside GSuite.
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fierarul 6y ago
Microsoft did and continues doing that, correct? I don't remember any article on them stopping that or even explain what telemetry contains.
- jevgeni 6y ago
  There is no suggestion that Google stopped said practice as well. But the indignation on HN (at least) is usually left for anything but Google. You can see what information (broadly) Microsoft collects through Windows 10 in the opt-in screen for telemetry. More detailed information has been published here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-windows-diagnostic-data-events-and-fields-2004 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-wi...
- matthewfcarlson 6y ago
  They still do collect telemetry, but they've gone to great lengths to implement GDPR for everyone instead of just the EU. I do like that they provide a viewer to see exactly what is getting uploaded and offered easy ways to adjust how much data does get uploaded. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/diagnostic-data-viewer/9n8wtrrsq8f7?activetab=pivot:overviewtab https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/diagnostic-data-viewer/9n8...
smolder 6y ago
Google and MS are now both actively working on making Orwell's 1984 closer to reality, along with several other tech companies. I think people were disappointed when MS made a big leap in that direction with win 10 but it doesn't mean Google and Android aren't shit for their big part.

Didn’t HN collectively loose their s..t when Microsoft did something similar with Win 10 telemetry?

fxtentacle 6y ago

The difference appears to be that by now, everyone is kind of used to this behavior from Google.

jevgeni 6y ago
True. I also think the techbro meme of “M$ bad, Google good” still has a certain hold on people's minds.
- ta17711771 6y ago
  Project Zero, their general position in security-first¹, and nice hardware have me sticking around, even though I can't stand their methods and mission (ad dollars by any means). ¹Watch out for your privacy, though, if you don't remove Google "services" from your devices.
- fierarul 6y ago
  On the contrary, the current tech bro pretty much loves Microsoft ever since the cool CEO took over and deeply distrusts Google.
  - jevgeni 6y ago
    I'd bet it has less to do with the cool CEO and more with the plethora of useful devtools and tech released by Microsoft lately. Also, being able to reach a person on the phone regarding my Azure billing was radically different to being in contact (or lack thereof) with Google.
  - fxtentacle 6y ago
    I'd attribute that to the fact that they actually have support. My MSDN subscription once had a problem activating, but it was quick and painless to solve by calling them. That alone makes them feel a lot more humane than Google, where you have to be lucky to ever reach a person even with critical problems like data loss inside GSuite.

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fierarul 6y ago

Microsoft did and continues doing that, correct? I don't remember any article on them stopping that or even explain what telemetry contains.

jevgeni 6y ago
There is no suggestion that Google stopped said practice as well. But the indignation on HN (at least) is usually left for anything but Google. You can see what information (broadly) Microsoft collects through Windows 10 in the opt-in screen for telemetry. More detailed information has been published here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-windows-diagnostic-data-events-and-fields-2004 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-wi...
matthewfcarlson 6y ago
They still do collect telemetry, but they've gone to great lengths to implement GDPR for everyone instead of just the EU. I do like that they provide a viewer to see exactly what is getting uploaded and offered easy ways to adjust how much data does get uploaded. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/diagnostic-data-viewer/9n8wtrrsq8f7?activetab=pivot:overviewtab https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/diagnostic-data-viewer/9n8...

smolder 6y ago

Google and MS are now both actively working on making Orwell's 1984 closer to reality, along with several other tech companies. I think people were disappointed when MS made a big leap in that direction with win 10 but it doesn't mean Google and Android aren't shit for their big part.