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Java development is now hosted by Microsoft. :-)

by m0zg 6y ago

kasperni 6y ago
They've starting contributing to the development recently as well [1]. [1] https://adtmag.com/articles/2019/11/06/microsoft-openjdk.aspx https://adtmag.com/articles/2019/11/06/microsoft-openjdk.asp...
foepys 6y ago
I don't exactly know why you are being downvoted, you are absolutely right, albeit a bit snarky. Microsoft is currently embracing open source and people wonder why that is. Their history around FOSS is worrying and some question if it's part of "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Plus it's very ironic that Microsoft is now the hoster of Java's source code after their failed proprietary Java implementation (J++) which eventually lead to the creation of C# after being sued by Sun.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  J++ did not fail, it was the first language designed by Anders after joining Microsoft and had a sane FFI, which became P/Invoke and their Forms framework was the basis of Windows Forms. So yeah, they failed to win the court process if that is what you mean. Also something that many seem to forget, .NET was also released with J#. Another fun fact, JNI is hard by design as means to promote WORA, and Project Panama that is supposed to replace it has several ideas similar to P/Invoke. Finally many that celebrate Sun's victory over Microsoft regarding J++, are too eager to pick Android Java side nowadays.
- notRobot 6y ago
  A minor point: while MS has been embracing OSS, they've never been in support of software freedoms ("libre") because it's fundamentally incompatible with their business models. Yes, most OSS software is also libre, but MS doesn't care about that.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Neither do many FOSS developers nowadays regardless of the dream, as supermarkets don't take pull requests so they end up adopting dual licenses or putting the golden eggs behind Server walls.
hugi 6y ago
Someone in the 2000s: "I bet that in about a decade Java will be owned by Oracle and they will host the source code on a Microsoft website using Linux and git. Me: Hahahaha, yeah, sure…
pjmlp 6y ago
Microsoft also bought jClarity and are now an OpenJDK contributor. And the VSCode plugins are developed in cooperation with Red-Hat.

Java development is now hosted by Microsoft. :-)

by m0zg 6y ago

Java development is now hosted by Microsoft. :-)

They've starting contributing to the development recently as well [1]. [1] https://adtmag.com/articles/2019/11/06/microsoft-openjdk.aspx https://adtmag.com/articles/2019/11/06/microsoft-openjdk.asp...

foepys 6y ago

I don't exactly know why you are being downvoted, you are absolutely right, albeit a bit snarky. Microsoft is currently embracing open source and people wonder why that is. Their history around FOSS is worrying and some question if it's part of "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Plus it's very ironic that Microsoft is now the hoster of Java's source code after their failed proprietary Java implementation (J++) which eventually lead to the creation of C# after being sued by Sun.

pjmlp 6y ago
J++ did not fail, it was the first language designed by Anders after joining Microsoft and had a sane FFI, which became P/Invoke and their Forms framework was the basis of Windows Forms. So yeah, they failed to win the court process if that is what you mean. Also something that many seem to forget, .NET was also released with J#. Another fun fact, JNI is hard by design as means to promote WORA, and Project Panama that is supposed to replace it has several ideas similar to P/Invoke. Finally many that celebrate Sun's victory over Microsoft regarding J++, are too eager to pick Android Java side nowadays.
notRobot 6y ago
A minor point: while MS has been embracing OSS, they've never been in support of software freedoms ("libre") because it's fundamentally incompatible with their business models. Yes, most OSS software is also libre, but MS doesn't care about that.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Neither do many FOSS developers nowadays regardless of the dream, as supermarkets don't take pull requests so they end up adopting dual licenses or putting the golden eggs behind Server walls.

hugi 6y ago

Someone in the 2000s: "I bet that in about a decade Java will be owned by Oracle and they will host the source code on a Microsoft website using Linux and git. Me: Hahahaha, yeah, sure…

pjmlp 6y ago

Microsoft also bought jClarity and are now an OpenJDK contributor. And the VSCode plugins are developed in cooperation with Red-Hat.