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"Why should anyone want a better living, it will cost me more money. Screw them." The selfishness and corporate worship is just endemic to the US at this point

"Why should anyone want a better living, it will cost me more money. Screw them." The selfishness and corporate worship is just endemic to the US at this point. No wonder it is in decline.

missedthecue 6y ago
I'm not in the business of doing charity with every product I buy. Cartels are bad when OPEC does them, and they're bad when labour unions do them.
- fallingfrog 6y ago
  Unions don’t give workers an unfair advantage; they merely level the field and make it a fair negotiation. After all the boss already has the power of a large organization behind them, why should the workers not have their own?
  - missedthecue 6y ago
    The idea that it 'levels the playing field' is an opinion. I reject that opinion out of hand. If a company's workforce unionizes, a company cannot do much but pay the wages they demand. That is not a fair playing field. That is a cartel. Cartels are bad. >After all the boss already has the power of a large organization Poor representation of the facts. A boss has the authority to buy labour as he sees fit, and to offer a sum for it that he thinks he can afford. He does not have the power to force an employee to be hired at a price he wants.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > If a company's workforce unionizes, a company cannot do much but pay the wages they demand. If a company’s workforce unionizes, the single employer and single collective bargaining negotiator are on much more equal footing than if the workforce does not unionized. The shareholders whose interest the firm represents are already a cartel through the formation of the firm.
      - missedthecue 6y ago
        The concept of a cartel continues to elude you. Shareholders do not band together to increase the price of a product. They pool resources to produce a product.
    - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
      > a company cannot do much but pay the wages they demand. That is not a fair playing field. That is a cartel. Cartels are bad. This would be true if there were no negotiations (there are.) Or if workers were all paid the same (they aren't). Workers have a cartel on wage just as much as a company has a cartel on jobs. Companies use their leverage (aka a cartel) on workers - so to combat it they organize.
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  We wouldn't need them if corporations didnt constantly game the system for their own benefit.

"Why should anyone want a better living, it will cost me more money. Screw them." The selfishness and corporate worship is just endemic to the US at this point. No wonder it is in decline.

missedthecue 6y ago

I'm not in the business of doing charity with every product I buy. Cartels are bad when OPEC does them, and they're bad when labour unions do them.

fallingfrog 6y ago
Unions don’t give workers an unfair advantage; they merely level the field and make it a fair negotiation. After all the boss already has the power of a large organization behind them, why should the workers not have their own?
- missedthecue 6y ago
  The idea that it 'levels the playing field' is an opinion. I reject that opinion out of hand. If a company's workforce unionizes, a company cannot do much but pay the wages they demand. That is not a fair playing field. That is a cartel. Cartels are bad. >After all the boss already has the power of a large organization Poor representation of the facts. A boss has the authority to buy labour as he sees fit, and to offer a sum for it that he thinks he can afford. He does not have the power to force an employee to be hired at a price he wants.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > If a company's workforce unionizes, a company cannot do much but pay the wages they demand. If a company’s workforce unionizes, the single employer and single collective bargaining negotiator are on much more equal footing than if the workforce does not unionized. The shareholders whose interest the firm represents are already a cartel through the formation of the firm.
    - missedthecue 6y ago
      The concept of a cartel continues to elude you. Shareholders do not band together to increase the price of a product. They pool resources to produce a product.
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    > a company cannot do much but pay the wages they demand. That is not a fair playing field. That is a cartel. Cartels are bad. This would be true if there were no negotiations (there are.) Or if workers were all paid the same (they aren't). Workers have a cartel on wage just as much as a company has a cartel on jobs. Companies use their leverage (aka a cartel) on workers - so to combat it they organize.
ntsplnkv2 6y ago
We wouldn't need them if corporations didnt constantly game the system for their own benefit.