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I passed a series of phone interviews with DE Shaw and they flew me to NY to interview on-site many years ago. It was for a statistician / machine learning role
by mlthoughts2018 6y ago
I passed a series of phone interviews with DE Shaw and they flew me to NY to interview on-site many years ago. It was for a statistician / machine learning role.
Once I arrived on site they asked me to write a program to rotate a matrix on the whiteboard. The catch was, it had to be in syntactically correct Tcl, a language I had never heard of, which was not on the job listing, not discussed in any of the phone interviews, and not on my resume.
I clarified that I had never heard of that language and no one gave me any information that I had to prepare to answer questions about it and the two interviewers in the room said it was required for the job. I offered to code it in Python but they said it had to be Tcl. I was freaking out at this point, sweating, wondering if I was mixed up with a different candidate.
I said the role I was interviewing for and asked if it was possibly a mistake, they replied it was not and they expected me to write Tcl for that solution.
I thought maybe it was some kind of finance bluster sort of thing, like to test if I would stick up for myself or offer an outside the box idea.
I sat down from the whiteboard and said if they could explain to me the syntax of Tcl I would give it a try.
The interviewers both thanked me for my time and said the next interviewer would be in shortly (I had a printed sheet of a 9-5 full day of scheduled interviewers).
I sat and waited in that room for over 45 minutes, no one came to get me, nothing. Eventually I walked back to the main reception desk area and explained what happened, and the attendant person looked me up on a computer and said all my interviews were done for the day, I was free to go, and they would be in touch. The point of contact was someone named Isaac Torres. I went back to the hotel they put me in which was right across the street, feeling incredibly depressed, and just ordered food and stayed in. My flight was the next evening, but around 11 am before I even left the hotel, Isaac called me to say they were going to pass on me.
It was a weird thing. I wasn’t even mad because it was so absurd, like getting struck by lightning or something. It was like surrealism, irrational.
But I sure did walk away feeling like DE Shaw the company is absolutely fucked internally, and I would never in a million years consider working for them and would try to warn anyone I can away.
- fractionalhare 6y agoI'm sorry that was your experience. If that's true it reflects really poorly on the firm. I have considered applying to DE Shaw in the past and I've heard a few stories like this, which have mostly made me stay away.
- voiddb 6y agoAmong other things, this is exactly my experience. I was invited to virtual on-site interview earlier this year due to covid19. After the 3rd round, I was told to wait there and the next interviewer would come online soon. Two hours passed, no one showed up. That was it. No response or whatever ever since. And btw, no one communicated with me beforehand what the interview would look like. I asked the headhunter but they had no idea either. It was really weird interview experience. They gave me the impression that they're really a group of "elite" engineers. It's a general SWE (not quant) interview but they asked quite a bit of mathematics and statistics questions. At some point I can feel arrogance from one of the interviewers.
- lordgrenville 6y agoWhat an absolutely bananas story! Sorry that happened you but thanks for sharing it.
- totalZero 6y agoWow. It seems kind of bizarre that they would waste their money by flying people in, only to impose hidden criteria later for no stated reason. That's a shame.
- bobwernstein 6y agothey paid for your flight and hotel?
- mlthoughts2018 6y agoYes they did that, but they had scheduled me for 9-5 on the day of the interview, which doesn’t entitle them to waste my time by having one unprofessional interview session followed by me sitting for 45 minutes and being told I can go. I could have scheduled other things or planned my time differently if I had known it would only last ~90 minutes, or even that it lasting less than the full 9-5 based on realtime decisions was a possibility (it was not described as a possibility).
- bobwernstein 6y agoI agree with you. For that kind of disrespect I would not only need to get paid for hotel and travel, but my time too. And waisting my time costs like 100x more per hour than my normal rate. Seeing as they cheapened out here by only paying hotel and travel, what does that say about how they treat their employees comp wise? Doesn't look good. For that alone I would avoid them like the plague.