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> It‘s so sad to watch, but compared to any other developed and affluent nation, the US is a complete shitshow at this point Idunno man, here in Canada the tes

> It‘s so sad to watch, but compared to any other developed and affluent nation, the US is a complete shitshow at this point Idunno man, here in Canada the testing woes are about the middle of the pack, when compared with each of the states, the case fatality rates are higher than in Texas. The overall death rates are still much higher in the UK than either the U.S. or Canada. I think you're being extremely lopsided in your analysis of this, which I don't blame you entirely for, given how much American-made anti-American propaganda there is out there. > It‘s just so sad to see how personal „freedom to choose“ turned into the achilles heel of one of the formerly greatest nations on Earth. It didn't, it's a spectacular country and will continue to be for a long time still. The places in the U.S. where there was more choice and personal freedom did better on almost every metric so far, and we haven't even tallied the totals yet (we'll know for real in a couple years, when we correct our death records, and look at real overall mortality over the whole event, rather than rates on a given date). You can not simultaneously warn about a second wave and dismiss the Swedish model out of hand. In reality, we won't know who was right until much later.

perardi 6y ago
Let's have some data on US-UK-Canada CFR: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/canada?country=CAN~GBR~USA#the-case-fatality-rate https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/canada?countr... Which, yup, Canada and the US aren't that far apart, and the UK has a higher CFR. And Canada…it's worth noting that Canada is a bunch of city-states bound loosely together by Tim Horton's, and the responses varied quite a bit by province. British Columbia bent their curve early, and made some really key decisions in regards to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities that made a big difference versus Ontario and Quebec. (Last I checked 81% of COVID deaths here were in such facilities. If we'd managed to secure nursing homes and figure out protections for farm workers, there'd be far fewer deaths. ICUs never, ever hit anywhere near capacity, at least in Toronto.) And pure off-topic anecdote: testing has gone very well for me. My local hospital here on the east side of Toronto was on top of this early, and my tests have all come back in less than 24 hours. (Though I live with a front-line healthcare worker, which makes me think they're giving me just a little extra speed.)
- microcolonel 6y ago
  > If we'd managed to secure nursing homes and figure out protections for farm workers, there'd be far fewer deaths. Yeah, it was sad to watch. It seems like it was a mistake made by a lot of places up here in the north. The States and Provinces which had more time got to see it working out poorly ahead of time seem to have been able to change course. > My local hospital here on the east side of Toronto was on top of this early, and my tests have all come back in less than 24 hours. I've heard good things about that area, yes. A lot of places were having long delays earlier on because they were overflowing to the regional labs, or somesuch. > Though I live with a front-line healthcare worker, which makes me think they're giving me just a little extra speed The answer to that is understandably yes It has been mercifully mild here in Hamilton, most of the patients in the hospitals are still elderly people from LTC facilities, as far as I'm aware. The panic has been minimal. One thing here in Hamilton is the handful of people who don't care much about anything in life (Hamilton has a high concentration of such people, being a hub for social services), who will gladly pretend to cough indoors near you just to make you uncomfortable.
refurb 6y ago
Yup. Americans are notorious for not knowing much about what happens outside their borders, so the comparisons to other countries is entertaining. Spent some time in British Colombia. I’d say 10% are wearing masks (there is no mandate). Went to the lake and the beaches are packed. Recent outbreak in town because the bars are packed. And Americans say “man! we’re so stupid to not wear masks. why can’t we be like other countries?”

perardi 6y ago

Let's have some data on US-UK-Canada CFR: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/canada?country=CAN~GBR~USA#the-case-fatality-rate https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/canada?countr... Which, yup, Canada and the US aren't that far apart, and the UK has a higher CFR. And Canada…it's worth noting that Canada is a bunch of city-states bound loosely together by Tim Horton's, and the responses varied quite a bit by province. British Columbia bent their curve early, and made some really key decisions in regards to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities that made a big difference versus Ontario and Quebec. (Last I checked 81% of COVID deaths here were in such facilities. If we'd managed to secure nursing homes and figure out protections for farm workers, there'd be far fewer deaths. ICUs never, ever hit anywhere near capacity, at least in Toronto.) And pure off-topic anecdote: testing has gone very well for me. My local hospital here on the east side of Toronto was on top of this early, and my tests have all come back in less than 24 hours. (Though I live with a front-line healthcare worker, which makes me think they're giving me just a little extra speed.)

microcolonel 6y ago
> If we'd managed to secure nursing homes and figure out protections for farm workers, there'd be far fewer deaths. Yeah, it was sad to watch. It seems like it was a mistake made by a lot of places up here in the north. The States and Provinces which had more time got to see it working out poorly ahead of time seem to have been able to change course. > My local hospital here on the east side of Toronto was on top of this early, and my tests have all come back in less than 24 hours. I've heard good things about that area, yes. A lot of places were having long delays earlier on because they were overflowing to the regional labs, or somesuch. > Though I live with a front-line healthcare worker, which makes me think they're giving me just a little extra speed The answer to that is understandably yes It has been mercifully mild here in Hamilton, most of the patients in the hospitals are still elderly people from LTC facilities, as far as I'm aware. The panic has been minimal. One thing here in Hamilton is the handful of people who don't care much about anything in life (Hamilton has a high concentration of such people, being a hub for social services), who will gladly pretend to cough indoors near you just to make you uncomfortable.

refurb 6y ago

Yup. Americans are notorious for not knowing much about what happens outside their borders, so the comparisons to other countries is entertaining. Spent some time in British Colombia. I’d say 10% are wearing masks (there is no mandate). Went to the lake and the beaches are packed. Recent outbreak in town because the bars are packed. And Americans say “man! we’re so stupid to not wear masks. why can’t we be like other countries?”