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I am not so sure if Europe in general and Germany specifically could not be hit with similar situations again. - After the April lock down it is clear, that we

by oezi 6y ago

I am not so sure if Europe in general and Germany specifically could not be hit with similar situations again. - After the April lock down it is clear, that we cannot repeat this economically again. - Population becomes tired of maintaining the hygiene regiment. Improperly worn masks are on the rise. Dining out is increasing / bars/gyms/pools are reopening and are starting to get crowded. - Decision making is pushed down from Federal to State and local levels (at least in Germany) causing a lack of cohesion of plans and making it impossible for the public to understand what policy is enforced where and why. One good example of this is that the general mask wearing mandate is still in place but many states have allowed for employees (e.g. in stores) to forego masks. - Schools closed for summer have paused a likely source of many transmission routes. After going below 2000 infection per week, we are set to hit 4000 per week after the weekend in Germany.

jacquesm 6y ago
> After the April lock down it is clear, that we cannot repeat this economically again It may not be a choice. Then what?
- oezi 6y ago
  I hope with mandated masks (properly worn, no valves) and targetted lockdowns, the general lockdown can be prevented. Restaurants, schools/kindergardens and any public venue will likely be closed first.
- thu2111 6y ago
  Then nothing. People get over it and ignore it. Excess deaths in Germany didn't move: https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Cross-Section/Corona/Society/population_death.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Cross-Section/Corona/Socie... That's not a dangerous virus. At least not in Germany. And it's the same virus everywhere, so questions must be asked about why so many countries have seen no real change in excess deaths and others did (but even when they did, it's not high relative to the reaction).
usaar333 6y ago
It's definitely true anyone can be hit again. Hong Kong, Israel, parts of Australia all are examples.
- zebnyc 6y ago
  Taiwan has eliminated community spread. The only new cases are folks who are entering the country (who must undergo the 14 day mandatory quarantine).
  - refurb 6y ago
    Vietnam went 100 days without a case and are now dealing with an outbreak in Da Nang. You still can’t get in as a foreigner, so it’s not like they aren’t locked down.
  - ddeck 6y ago
    >Taiwan has eliminated community spread It's possible, but I would not be surprised to see community acquired cases pop up in Taiwan at some point. Testing is currently extremely limited. For example Taiwan performed 94 tests yesterday[1]. This is for a population of around 24 million. Since June 18, the average number of daily tests was 153 [1][2], which are almost entirely nationals returning from overseas. Compare this to ~700k/day in the US for a population of ~330 million. The ubiquitous wearing of masks and attention to hand hygiene etc. in Taiwan makes it more likely that any community transmission will be a lot slower (and thus slower to lead to a serious case that is more likely to be detected), but could easily still be a greater than zero. [1] https://www.cdc.gov.tw/en/Disease/SubIndex/ https://www.cdc.gov.tw/en/Disease/SubIndex/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Taiwan
- JimTheMan 6y ago
  We'll overcome this, I am sure of it with how well everyone is banding together and doing the right thing. (Australian in Victoria where an outbreak is occurring)

by oezi 6y ago

jacquesm 6y ago

> After the April lock down it is clear, that we cannot repeat this economically again It may not be a choice. Then what?

oezi 6y ago
I hope with mandated masks (properly worn, no valves) and targetted lockdowns, the general lockdown can be prevented. Restaurants, schools/kindergardens and any public venue will likely be closed first.
thu2111 6y ago
Then nothing. People get over it and ignore it. Excess deaths in Germany didn't move: https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Cross-Section/Corona/Society/population_death.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Cross-Section/Corona/Socie... That's not a dangerous virus. At least not in Germany. And it's the same virus everywhere, so questions must be asked about why so many countries have seen no real change in excess deaths and others did (but even when they did, it's not high relative to the reaction).

usaar333 6y ago

It's definitely true anyone can be hit again. Hong Kong, Israel, parts of Australia all are examples.

zebnyc 6y ago
Taiwan has eliminated community spread. The only new cases are folks who are entering the country (who must undergo the 14 day mandatory quarantine).
- refurb 6y ago
  Vietnam went 100 days without a case and are now dealing with an outbreak in Da Nang. You still can’t get in as a foreigner, so it’s not like they aren’t locked down.
- ddeck 6y ago
  >Taiwan has eliminated community spread It's possible, but I would not be surprised to see community acquired cases pop up in Taiwan at some point. Testing is currently extremely limited. For example Taiwan performed 94 tests yesterday[1]. This is for a population of around 24 million. Since June 18, the average number of daily tests was 153 [1][2], which are almost entirely nationals returning from overseas. Compare this to ~700k/day in the US for a population of ~330 million. The ubiquitous wearing of masks and attention to hand hygiene etc. in Taiwan makes it more likely that any community transmission will be a lot slower (and thus slower to lead to a serious case that is more likely to be detected), but could easily still be a greater than zero. [1] https://www.cdc.gov.tw/en/Disease/SubIndex/ https://www.cdc.gov.tw/en/Disease/SubIndex/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Taiwan
JimTheMan 6y ago
We'll overcome this, I am sure of it with how well everyone is banding together and doing the right thing. (Australian in Victoria where an outbreak is occurring)