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> This is just not true. Although you quoted it, I think you missed the word "marginal": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_cost https://en.wikipedia.org/w

by nkurz 6y ago

> This is just not true. Although you quoted it, I think you missed the word "marginal": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_cost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_cost. Yes, training, customizing, and maintaining GPT-3 for your use is going to be expensive, initially much more expensive than using humans. But the incremental cost for the second million usages is going to be very inexpensive compared to using humans, and as technology progresses, can probably be approximated as "free". > Also, if the argument is we have to ban anonymity, I strongly disagree. The author isn't saying that we have to, but that if we do not, the effectiveness of any one individual's free speech is going to greatly diminish. Do you disagree with this as well? If so, it would be good to outline your counterargument. If not, then you need to explain why the preservation of anonymity is worth more than the lost utility of free speech.

pixl97 6y ago
And in addition to what you said, compute gets cheaper with time.
Reelin 6y ago
> > ban anonymity > if we do not, the effectiveness of any one individual's free speech is going to greatly diminish False dichotomy. A solution which preserves anonymity while counteracting abuse should be sought after. > why the preservation of anonymity is worth more than the lost utility of free speech The loss of anonymity itself endangers free speech. This isn't terribly controversial - the US Supreme Court has consistently ruled this way. (https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity)
zucker42 6y ago
I know what marginal cost means. Yeah, there are a good portion of GPT-3 costs that are fixed costs. But also I would wager there's a large portion of costs that are roughly proportional to the scope of your astroturfing campaign. It's not zero marginal cost, and even though the marginal cost might be smaller than hiring people, the fixed costs are probably higher. I disagree with the premise that GPT-3 will greatly decrease the power of individual speech; I just don't think it will be as impactful as some people think, and I believe the burden of proof is on those people. It's probably going to have a marginal effect, though. But also I thought I gave some reasons for protecting anonymity in my first comment, and the last paragraph hints at the problem with banning anonymity: it necessarily centralizes control over the Internet.

by nkurz 6y ago

pixl97 6y ago

And in addition to what you said, compute gets cheaper with time.

Reelin 6y ago

> > ban anonymity > if we do not, the effectiveness of any one individual's free speech is going to greatly diminish False dichotomy. A solution which preserves anonymity while counteracting abuse should be sought after. > why the preservation of anonymity is worth more than the lost utility of free speech The loss of anonymity itself endangers free speech. This isn't terribly controversial - the US Supreme Court has consistently ruled this way. (https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity)

zucker42 6y ago

I know what marginal cost means. Yeah, there are a good portion of GPT-3 costs that are fixed costs. But also I would wager there's a large portion of costs that are roughly proportional to the scope of your astroturfing campaign. It's not zero marginal cost, and even though the marginal cost might be smaller than hiring people, the fixed costs are probably higher. I disagree with the premise that GPT-3 will greatly decrease the power of individual speech; I just don't think it will be as impactful as some people think, and I believe the burden of proof is on those people. It's probably going to have a marginal effect, though. But also I thought I gave some reasons for protecting anonymity in my first comment, and the last paragraph hints at the problem with banning anonymity: it necessarily centralizes control over the Internet.