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What's wrong with "denunciatory rhetoric"? If someone makes a tool to enable spam, I'm going to denounce it, plain and simple. I'm not going to yield on this on

What's wrong with "denunciatory rhetoric"? If someone makes a tool to enable spam, I'm going to denounce it, plain and simple. I'm not going to yield on this one. It is not reasonable to expect commenters to sit back and dish out praise for posts which are incompatible with their moral framework. But I guess this is just "growth hacking" in YCombinator doublespeak, it pays your bills so I can't really expect you to relate.

mwcampbell 6y ago
You have a pattern of making over-the-top denunciations though. Maybe it's easier to see the problem with one of your other recent ones: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23943179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23943179 Do you seriously believe that everyone who uses C++, not necessarily by their own choice, is a bad programmer writing a bad program? Things are rarely that black and white.
- ddevault 6y ago
  If you have a problem with that comment, bring it up in that thread.
dang 6y ago
It kills curious conversation. No more flamebait please.
- ddevault 6y ago
  This isn't flamebait. This is a statement of my opinion, and a pushing back against wrongdoing. I intend to keep pushing back against wrongdoing, or else it'll keep happening.
  - tomhoward 6y ago
    To be clear, are you saying that any email subscription service (e.g., newsletters, activity notifications) is immoral/evil, even with enthusiastic informed consent, double-opt-in, 1-click unsubscribe support, and any other measures to ensure the sending of email is welcomed by the user and no messages are sent after such time as they become unwelcome; even with all that, is there no conceivable legitimate, moral, non-evil use for this product? For instance, a project I help to operate is a platform to help surgeons find anaesthetists for their surgeries, sometimes for emergencies at very short notice. It currently sends a few hundred emails a day, and everyone who receives them absolutely wants and needs to receive them. If the project keeps growing, the email volume could grow into the thousands per day. Is this morally reprehensible?
    - ddevault 6y ago
      >To be clear, are you saying that any email subscription service (e.g., newsletters, activity notifications) is immoral/evil, even with enthusiastic informed consent, double-opt-in, 1-click unsubscribe support, and any other measures to ensure the sending of email is welcomed by the user and no messages are sent after such time as they become unwelcome This project is not described by your summary. A project which could be described as such would not be immoral. But that's not what this is: this is a tool for enabling spam distribution.
      - tomhoward 6y ago
        OK, but on this: > I intend to keep pushing back against wrongdoing, or else it'll keep happening Given that it's not obvious why this project is overwhelmingly more suited to spam than legit the subscribed/responsible email distribution of the kind I described, you're not doing anything effective to keep "it" from happening, and you're only succeeding in yukking up HN.

mwcampbell 6y ago

You have a pattern of making over-the-top denunciations though. Maybe it's easier to see the problem with one of your other recent ones: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23943179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23943179 Do you seriously believe that everyone who uses C++, not necessarily by their own choice, is a bad programmer writing a bad program? Things are rarely that black and white.

ddevault 6y ago
If you have a problem with that comment, bring it up in that thread.

dang 6y ago

It kills curious conversation. No more flamebait please.

ddevault 6y ago
This isn't flamebait. This is a statement of my opinion, and a pushing back against wrongdoing. I intend to keep pushing back against wrongdoing, or else it'll keep happening.
- tomhoward 6y ago
  To be clear, are you saying that any email subscription service (e.g., newsletters, activity notifications) is immoral/evil, even with enthusiastic informed consent, double-opt-in, 1-click unsubscribe support, and any other measures to ensure the sending of email is welcomed by the user and no messages are sent after such time as they become unwelcome; even with all that, is there no conceivable legitimate, moral, non-evil use for this product? For instance, a project I help to operate is a platform to help surgeons find anaesthetists for their surgeries, sometimes for emergencies at very short notice. It currently sends a few hundred emails a day, and everyone who receives them absolutely wants and needs to receive them. If the project keeps growing, the email volume could grow into the thousands per day. Is this morally reprehensible?
  - ddevault 6y ago
    >To be clear, are you saying that any email subscription service (e.g., newsletters, activity notifications) is immoral/evil, even with enthusiastic informed consent, double-opt-in, 1-click unsubscribe support, and any other measures to ensure the sending of email is welcomed by the user and no messages are sent after such time as they become unwelcome This project is not described by your summary. A project which could be described as such would not be immoral. But that's not what this is: this is a tool for enabling spam distribution.
    - tomhoward 6y ago
      OK, but on this: > I intend to keep pushing back against wrongdoing, or else it'll keep happening Given that it's not obvious why this project is overwhelmingly more suited to spam than legit the subscribed/responsible email distribution of the kind I described, you're not doing anything effective to keep "it" from happening, and you're only succeeding in yukking up HN.