No you're right. I put it badly. I meant not that they should be, but that in many cases they usually are[0] therefore we might look at this not from an idealis

No you're right. I put it badly. I meant not that they should be, but that in many cases they usually are[0] therefore we might look at this not from an idealistic viewpoint, but knowing it happens and taking a minimising and harm reduction approach. Which is what the article is discussing, and what I agreed with. But keeping drugs away from kids (a good thing) was being mixed up with a general anti-drugs message which I didn't like and which may prove counterproductive in the same way the extreme view put around in the US about no sex before marriage just didn't work. There was a case in the UK a few years ago of a man who allowed his kids and their mates to smoke weed in his house. His reasoning was that they wee going to do it anyway so he'd prefer to have it happen somewhere safe and where he could monitor it. The judge didn't look kindly on that I recall. I'm really not sure where I stand on that either. [0] Not in my case I add, the kids around me were getting pissed, smoking, smoking mj, trying other stuff, I didn't.