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Arsonists trying to set fire to a government building is not a reason to suspend people's civil liberties. That reasoning sounds eerily close to the Reichstag
by armada651 6y ago
Arsonists trying to set fire to a government building is not a reason to suspend people's civil liberties.
That reasoning sounds eerily close to the Reichstag Fire Decree.
- refurb 6y agoWhat do you mean by “suspend civil liberties”? These people are being detained by people with POLICE written on their vests, charged in front of a magistrate, and released. All the info is on the Portland website of arrests. https://oregon.staterecords.org/multnomah https://oregon.staterecords.org/multnomah What civil liberty has been suspended?
- wbronitsky 6y agoThere are videos where we can clearly see these unmarked agents (yes they are unmarked if they have no name or number) attacking and detaining medics without reading them their rights. Those are the violations of civil liberties we are discussing and this argument throws out.
- refurb 6y agoYou don’t have to be read your rights when arrested, only prior to questioning.
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- WiseWeasel 6y agoA prime example of civil liberty being infringed would be the large number of people being assaulted with chemicals, projectiles, intimidation and old fashioned thuggery in reaction to acts carried out by a different, smaller group of people.
- refurb 6y agoThe government has the right to disperse crowds attacking a federal building.
- maxerickson 6y agoYou've linked a private organization that explicitly disclaims association with any state or local government (right there on the page you've linked to even).
- refurb 6y agoIt's pulling from public records. Here is the county sheriff's holding records. http://www.mcso.us/PAID/ http://www.mcso.us/PAID/ You can even see who the arrest agency is and it includes federal agencies. Note that most of them have been released.
- maxerickson 6y agoHow have you evaluated the completeness of the listing?
- refurb 6y agoI mean, it’s the county sheriff. Do you have a better source?
- maxerickson 6y agoNo, I haven't evaluated it beyond what I've said here. But up thread you claim that the people detained and placed in unmarked vehicles are listed there. I was wondering how you had determined that, or if you were assuming it to be true, or what.
- refurb 6y agoDo a search for “releases in last 7 days”, look through the names and you’ll see that the arresting agency was “DHS” or “US Marshalls” and it will see say “no charges filed, release on X/X/X”.
- maxerickson 6y ago