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You can turn any peaceful protest to a chaos if you overwhelm the protest with riot control or law enforcement officers that look like battlefield soldiers. Ob

by stunt 6y ago

You can turn any peaceful protest to a chaos if you overwhelm the protest with riot control or law enforcement officers that look like battlefield soldiers. Obviously what you get after it is more chaos and vandalism. But, is it fair to blame protesters for it? The argument isn't that there is no chaos happening right now, or that there was zero vandalism before this. The argument is that it was mostly peaceful before. And question is what turned that into this chaos? This requires root cause analysis. There are some big criticism against riot control tactics in general. Lots of experts are discussing it. You build wide streets and invest less in public transport. What you get is traffic. Now, is it fair to blame drivers for it?

pharke 6y ago
I would implore you again to please find full length streams that start before the declaration of an unlawful assembly and watch them all the way through. A 1 minute clip that starts with an officer hitting someone is not giving you the full story. I'm also not sure what the proposed solution is here. Should we have police that do nothing or simply no police at all? I don't see how that is workable in any situation, I don't want to strawman your position though so please explain what response police should have to destruction of private and public property or assaults upon their person. > You build wide streets and invest less in public transport. What you get is traffic. Now, is it fair to blame drivers for it? I think this is a bad analogy, traffic is to streets as protests are to freedom of assembly not to police presence. I don't agree with the implied argument that riot police cause riots. For one, truly authoritarian countries have much more brutal riot control tactics and generally have fewer riots. Iran is probably a good example. My guess would be unemployment would have a stronger correlation to number of riots.

by stunt 6y ago

pharke 6y ago

I would implore you again to please find full length streams that start before the declaration of an unlawful assembly and watch them all the way through. A 1 minute clip that starts with an officer hitting someone is not giving you the full story. I'm also not sure what the proposed solution is here. Should we have police that do nothing or simply no police at all? I don't see how that is workable in any situation, I don't want to strawman your position though so please explain what response police should have to destruction of private and public property or assaults upon their person. > You build wide streets and invest less in public transport. What you get is traffic. Now, is it fair to blame drivers for it? I think this is a bad analogy, traffic is to streets as protests are to freedom of assembly not to police presence. I don't agree with the implied argument that riot police cause riots. For one, truly authoritarian countries have much more brutal riot control tactics and generally have fewer riots. Iran is probably a good example. My guess would be unemployment would have a stronger correlation to number of riots.