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I'm sorry if it came off like I was saying "they deserved it", I didn't intend it that way. What I was trying to illuminate is that this is a much more complex

by pharke 6y ago

I'm sorry if it came off like I was saying "they deserved it", I didn't intend it that way. What I was trying to illuminate is that this is a much more complex situation that is being papered over for unknown reasons. News should not have a political spin in any direction, we need to see clearly everything that happens from start to finish to make our own judgements. I doubt that there is even much political difference between us but we've all been trained to categorize each other when we should be establishing the points on which we agree. I agree that our society is in danger, it is under threat from all sides at the moment. The terror I feel is not that of facing an opposing viewpoint, it is the fear that the centre cannot hold[0] and our grip has loosened so that we cannot catch the end of the rope. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_(poem) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_(poem)

mercer 6y ago
I honestly don't see how the threat is from 'all sides', but I honestly do want to try to understand that point of view. From my perspective, the US is run by right-wing nutjobs, for many of whom the 'quacks like a duck' applies in regards to racism. Their primary opponents are marginally better, but still at best center-right from my European perspective. It's mind-bogglingly weird to me that universal health care is relatively well-supported, but in the democratic upper echelons a no-go. It's mind-boggling that the very best democratic candidate is not only someone who clearly seems to be suffering from old-age ailments, but someone who historically has been basically a republican democrat. News generally reports within the spectrum provided to it, I believe. I'm becoming more and more convinced that news just mostly regurgitates and chews on whatever the politicians and lobbyists provide them with. They /react/, more than anything. But if the range of discussion, whether defined by politicians or the media, is all much further right than what would be considered reasonable in most of Europe, what does it even mean to be 'reasonable' and hold a 'center' position? Again, I liked your comment and am absolutely not trying to be antagonistic, but to me it's just really confusing to hear reasonable people here and reasonable people there consider the 'reasonable' thing to be wildly different. I'd have to conclude that either Europe or the US has gone mad, but they can't both be 'reasonable' and 'center'.

by pharke 6y ago

mercer 6y ago

I honestly don't see how the threat is from 'all sides', but I honestly do want to try to understand that point of view. From my perspective, the US is run by right-wing nutjobs, for many of whom the 'quacks like a duck' applies in regards to racism. Their primary opponents are marginally better, but still at best center-right from my European perspective. It's mind-bogglingly weird to me that universal health care is relatively well-supported, but in the democratic upper echelons a no-go. It's mind-boggling that the very best democratic candidate is not only someone who clearly seems to be suffering from old-age ailments, but someone who historically has been basically a republican democrat. News generally reports within the spectrum provided to it, I believe. I'm becoming more and more convinced that news just mostly regurgitates and chews on whatever the politicians and lobbyists provide them with. They /react/, more than anything. But if the range of discussion, whether defined by politicians or the media, is all much further right than what would be considered reasonable in most of Europe, what does it even mean to be 'reasonable' and hold a 'center' position? Again, I liked your comment and am absolutely not trying to be antagonistic, but to me it's just really confusing to hear reasonable people here and reasonable people there consider the 'reasonable' thing to be wildly different. I'd have to conclude that either Europe or the US has gone mad, but they can't both be 'reasonable' and 'center'.