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I downvoted for the initial sentence: "I mean, the organized crime groups that sell these drugs do harm people" By that reasoning every gas station should be

I downvoted for the initial sentence: "I mean, the organized crime groups that sell these drugs do harm people" By that reasoning every gas station should be closed for selling oil that came from Saudi Arabia. How about them apples?

grayhatter 6y ago
I mean yeah, if you view fruits from a forbidden tree as poisoned/immoral. The logic is sound. So, they probably don't like dem apples, they're poisoned.
- pstuart 6y ago
  Except it's quite possible that the LSD supply chain had no violence associated with it, so it's pure conjecture biased by a "drugs are bad, m'kay?" attitude. Those apples are far from guaranteed to be poisoned. I've seen the same argument about cannabis, and while some may come from cartels, much of it comes from indy growers and that supply chain is more than likely violence free. As mentioned by another, the whole element of criminality is manufactured by the state and was designed from the start as a tool of oppression, not to "keep us safe".
  - grayhatter 6y ago
    I'm with you on that. I'm only trying to say that if you believe drugs are bad. I.e. if taking drugs is itself inherently immoral the logic is still sound. I don't believe the drugs are inherently immoral I do believe that fruit from The forbidden tree is poisoned.
Chris2048 6y ago
Since America isn't officially the world police, switching scope like this makes a bad comparison. There are plenty of reasons the US might interact with foreign countries in a way it wouldn't with internal domestic groups.
- pstuart 6y ago
  I was arguing from the initial moralistic view about fruit from a poisoned tree. And by the way, the US has for several generations been the unofficial world police. The US drug laws force other countries to toe the line as well. But this is going off into the weeds. The real point is that the War on Drugs manufactures crime by design.

grayhatter 6y ago

I mean yeah, if you view fruits from a forbidden tree as poisoned/immoral. The logic is sound. So, they probably don't like dem apples, they're poisoned.

pstuart 6y ago
Except it's quite possible that the LSD supply chain had no violence associated with it, so it's pure conjecture biased by a "drugs are bad, m'kay?" attitude. Those apples are far from guaranteed to be poisoned. I've seen the same argument about cannabis, and while some may come from cartels, much of it comes from indy growers and that supply chain is more than likely violence free. As mentioned by another, the whole element of criminality is manufactured by the state and was designed from the start as a tool of oppression, not to "keep us safe".
- grayhatter 6y ago
  I'm with you on that. I'm only trying to say that if you believe drugs are bad. I.e. if taking drugs is itself inherently immoral the logic is still sound. I don't believe the drugs are inherently immoral I do believe that fruit from The forbidden tree is poisoned.

Chris2048 6y ago

Since America isn't officially the world police, switching scope like this makes a bad comparison. There are plenty of reasons the US might interact with foreign countries in a way it wouldn't with internal domestic groups.

pstuart 6y ago
I was arguing from the initial moralistic view about fruit from a poisoned tree. And by the way, the US has for several generations been the unofficial world police. The US drug laws force other countries to toe the line as well. But this is going off into the weeds. The real point is that the War on Drugs manufactures crime by design.