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The inception of every novel idea begins without a source; to enforce such a restriction is to ban the creation of ideas.

krapp 6y ago
There are no novel ideas without a source. Every human concept and invention is based on some prior idea or knowledge. More importantly, every "idea" that attempts to aspire to fact has to be proven to be considered valid. The claim "Allegedly they used Markus Wolf (ex-Stasi chief) as a consultant in the formative days" is not merely a "novel idea" but an allegation, in other words, an idea that aspires to fact. The likely validity of this statement depends on its source. To assert that the above claim requires no source in order to be valid as fact simply because it is an "idea" is to ban the distinction between truth and fiction.
- aww_dang 6y ago
  When speaking of third hand information reported in the media absolute terms like 'proven', 'fact' and 'valid' seem overly broad. Throw in the contentious nature of a political discussion on the Internet and you have a real mess.
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- leafboi 6y ago
  >There are no novel ideas without a source. All sources are ideas in itself and If all "ideas" under your definition have a source, this means every source also has a source because they are ideas themselves. By induction this leads to the existence of ideas with an infinite chain of sources... Which is impossible. By logic, the Chain must terminate at an idea without a source. Thus it can be said that: All ideas are built from an idea without a source. We call this an "axiom" in mathematics. The exception to this rule is the existence of a cycle in this chain: An initial idea that refers to another idea that refers to the initial idea as its source; A closed loop. However, we as humans tend to shun these cycles as we call them "paradoxes." What the poster means by "novel idea" as opposed to "idea" is the terminal idea at the end of these source chains. In short, the inception of all "novel ideas" begin without a source. Again, we call this "novel idea" The axiom or the assumption. The strange thing about the axiom itself is an entity that "bans the distinction between truth and fiction" and is ironically the foundation of all human logic. Another word for this is a "paradox" something we both shun and use as the foundation for all human logic.

krapp 6y ago

There are no novel ideas without a source. Every human concept and invention is based on some prior idea or knowledge. More importantly, every "idea" that attempts to aspire to fact has to be proven to be considered valid. The claim "Allegedly they used Markus Wolf (ex-Stasi chief) as a consultant in the formative days" is not merely a "novel idea" but an allegation, in other words, an idea that aspires to fact. The likely validity of this statement depends on its source. To assert that the above claim requires no source in order to be valid as fact simply because it is an "idea" is to ban the distinction between truth and fiction.

aww_dang 6y ago
When speaking of third hand information reported in the media absolute terms like 'proven', 'fact' and 'valid' seem overly broad. Throw in the contentious nature of a political discussion on the Internet and you have a real mess.
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leafboi 6y ago
>There are no novel ideas without a source. All sources are ideas in itself and If all "ideas" under your definition have a source, this means every source also has a source because they are ideas themselves. By induction this leads to the existence of ideas with an infinite chain of sources... Which is impossible. By logic, the Chain must terminate at an idea without a source. Thus it can be said that: All ideas are built from an idea without a source. We call this an "axiom" in mathematics. The exception to this rule is the existence of a cycle in this chain: An initial idea that refers to another idea that refers to the initial idea as its source; A closed loop. However, we as humans tend to shun these cycles as we call them "paradoxes." What the poster means by "novel idea" as opposed to "idea" is the terminal idea at the end of these source chains. In short, the inception of all "novel ideas" begin without a source. Again, we call this "novel idea" The axiom or the assumption. The strange thing about the axiom itself is an entity that "bans the distinction between truth and fiction" and is ironically the foundation of all human logic. Another word for this is a "paradox" something we both shun and use as the foundation for all human logic.