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Maybe, but privacy is worth protecting, more than ever.
by bad_user 6y ago
Maybe, but privacy is worth protecting, more than ever.
- andybak 6y agoOver lives?
- cheez 6y agothink of the children argument
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoThis is the same argument as justifying the NSA's mass surveillance with terrorism. Because lives are involved, it's propagated like a killer argument. Fact is, you don't know if even worse things aren't going to be enabled with this technology.
- sanxiyn 6y agoCell location is already available to criminal investigation by law enforcement agency under warrant. It's a simple matter of legislating to make it available to epidemic investigation by health agency under warrant-like procedure. South Korea made such law after 2015 MERS epidemic. It does not enable NSA-like mass surveillance. Just do it now, so you can use it the next time.
- closeparen 6y agoAn important part of the NSA problem is that terrorist conspiracies are a largely imaginary boogeyman. The vast majority of its collection is unwarranted. But the pandemic is real, we know that the damage it does is directly related to the effectiveness of contact tracing, and we know that anyone having contacts outside the household is doing an unusual and extremely dangerous thing. This is more like tailing people who buy bombs and visit crowded public places with them.
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoYou are not only surveilling those that do "unusual and extremely dangerous things" as in they get within a few meters of other people, you are surveilling everyone. This is not just tailing people who buy bombs.
- bad_user 6y agoThe moment you start seeing regular people as terrorists, that's when you've lost the plot ;-)
- closeparen 6y agoTerrorists dream of inflicting as much damage as "regular people" do when they continue acting like regular people in a pandemic.
- azinman2 6y agoThis technology is designed in the open in a privacy sensitive manner. Your phone tells far more to your cell phone provider, Apple/Google, all the apps providers you have, and credit card companies than this technology ever will.
- dr_dshiv 6y agoBetter losing privacy over lives than over social media participation. Oh, wait...
- bad_user 6y agoIt's a false choice. But even if it were true, yes, over lives. People already died fighting for my liberal rights, I'm not willing to trade any of that for some temporary safety. I'm from a Warsaw pact country. Seeing westerners so willing to give up their rights these days is so deeply disappointing.
- FreeFull 6y agoIt's easy to give something up when you don't understand the danger of losing it. And we live in times where it's easier to give up your privacy than ever before.
- meristem 6y agoThis resonates with my experience having grown up in a dictatorship. The loss of privacy can be insidious and feel ‘not a big deal’.
- Barrin92 6y agoThe false choice here is actually that you can sacrifice lives and still expect to have freedom. The alternative to not giving up privacy for contact tracing or similar measures is to be locked into your home medieval style while the plague runs wild in the streets, which is a significantly stronger limitation of freedoms. The choice isn't between liberty or safety, just as it isn't between economic health and lockdown, it's between intelligent and proactive measures or carnage. Without public health there's no liberty. If our systems fail to protect the health of our populations those rights will go out the door sooner or later because it proves that those values are useless. It's completely paradoxical to argue that I'm free although I can't go to work, I can't safely go to the restaurant, I can't meet my friends without being afraid of contracting a deadly disease, but I'm free because I have privacy.
- anoncake 6y agoLocking yourself up for fear of a <1% chance of dying is very much a choice.
- ocdtrekkie 6y agoPrivacy is a fundamental part of freedom. If we don't have it, being technically breathing lacks value.
- numpad0 6y agoPrivacy invasion is usually a lose-lose anyway
- rad_gruchalski 6y agoWhat is the life worth without privacy?
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- boogies 6y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko
- pjmlp 6y agoWhen they come searching for you, privacy equates lives. As the first generation to live in freedom after dictorship, I rather vote for privacy.
- catalogia 6y agoYes. Protecting privacy is a better cause than most wars have been fought over.