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It would be nice, but from what I see in reactions to all this, I think not. I think the forces you speak of will either come to believe, or be persuaded, that
by Applejinx 6y ago
It would be nice, but from what I see in reactions to all this, I think not. I think the forces you speak of will either come to believe, or be persuaded, that they are entirely doing battle against enemy terrorists who don't 'count' as humans. It won't matter if they're moms or little children: they will uniformly be categorized as monsters and treated as such.
There must surely be huge amounts of this already: wouldn't be nearly as much protest if it wasn't already well documented that cops and uniformed forces will blast their enemies with pepper spray and any weapon they're permitted to use. Humans simply don't fire pepper spray or projectile weapons at simple bystanders unless they're total psychopaths: what you see there is not so much a culture of total psychopaths, rather a group that believes the modern day equivalent of 'even the kids and old ladies are VC'.
And in so doing, they make it become true, which is why military handbooks on this subject instruct you to back off and yield whatever's being targeted. The dangers of mobilizing popular opinion against the military invaders is far greater than losing whatever is threatened.
In other words, if the protesters are trying to destroy the police station at Cable Street, there might be a reason why sending in feds to crush the rebellion by force will not work. It may simply underscore the problem in the minds of otherwise apolitical onlookers, and the pool of people available to join the opposition may be greater than you think, IF there's a reason to judge you negatively for siding with Cable Street and supporting their activities.
And it's possible that you don't know what Cable Street means, if you don't live there. But if you're uniformed forces from elsewhere, maybe the whole point is that you don't live there, and you're being selected to go in specifically because you don't live there and can be trusted to categorize your enemies as monsters simply because they are battling something you're told is good and righteous.
- rich_sasha 6y agoThat’s all true, short to medium-term. Long-term, I think it takes a toll on people. Even when they are of different nationality, look different and evidently try to kill you. There are plenty of reports about US soldiers having serious doubts as to what they were doing in Vietnam in the first place. It is altogether more so when it is your own people at the sharp end. You can of course tell law enforcement officers short-term that they are fighting terrorists, criminals and maybe even the devil himself, but I suspect long-term it is much harder.
- Applejinx 6y agoI hope so, but I think it'd be only some of the people. On the one hand there's the reality of what they're doing, and on the other that's a recipe for circular reasoning and making the person more extreme: basically, now that they've murdered a bunch of babies they REALLY have a reason to think even the babies are VC (or Antifa, or what have you)