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The WH is finally getting to its main goal, reducing immigration overall. They were shy about it and started with illegal immigration but really they want to st

The WH is finally getting to its main goal, reducing immigration overall. They were shy about it and started with illegal immigration but really they want to stop all immigration. Wonder if the family green card processing is already stopped.

mpfundstein 6y ago
you can really hate Trump because of its views and manners but one thing is for certain: he was always honest about what he would do when in office and he is pursuing that relentlessly. wohld be nice to have a more centric candidate who would have this persistance and 'idgaf, attitude. but you probably need to be a psychopat to pull that off
- fredley 6y ago
  There isn't really such a thing as 'idgaf' centrism though, centrism is about balance and carefully treading a path that meets some of the desires of all sides, while at the same time not going 'far enough' by making compromises. An 'idgaf' attitude is extremist by its very nature.
  - kohtatsu 6y ago
    They could not give a fuck about the compromises being made.
- lagilogi 6y ago
  So was Hitler.
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  I agree. He was honest. Where he wasn't honest was in admiring that many U.S. interventions he continues create the very same immigrants he wants to stop coming in. As an European looking at the U.S., it isn't really a desirable place to be anymore, if it ever was. No universal healthcare during a pandemic? not wearing masks being considered cool & edgy?, sky high cost of living and even being treated with suspicion and the feeling that I am somehow not thankful enough to be in a COVID hotspot, while trying to not ever meet any law enforcement as the chances of surviving even a speeding ticket encounter are nowhere near as high as they are elsewhere in the world? Doesn't sound too appealing, unless in a really desperate situation. The U.S. relied on soft power, (Hollywood), for decades to sell a manufactured image of how great it is, but with increased information sharing, I suspect this image is being eroded.
  - secondcoming 6y ago
    Not to mention being white in tech over there is likely to be a headache
- nawwal 6y ago
  Honest about what he would do? - Build the wall: almost no new wall has actually been built - Drain the swamp: puts friends and family members in positions of power or influence, gives get-out-of-jail cards to convicted loyal friends, literally spends millions of government dollars to vacation and golf at his own resorts - Other random things he said early on: peace in the Middle East will be easy (lol), get rid of Obamacare but offer a better alternative (gets rid of provisions during the pandemic) - the list goes on and on
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- mazatp 6y ago
  What has he done against the deep state?
- Barrin92 6y ago
  >wohld be nice to have a more centric candidate who would have this persistance and 'idgaf, attitude. Not really. This sort of Caesarism and strongman attitude is a disease. Fucntioning governments and societies rest on pluralism and compromise between institutions, not on someone at the top "not giving a fuck". This desire for "not giving a fuck" is at its core a childish attitude that's rooted in people not being able to live with the tension that occurs when diverse interests need to be taken into account. It's usually combined with Machismo and it's pretty much what many Latin American countries perpetually suffer from.
auganov 6y ago
F1 (student) are strictly non-immigrant visas.
- gregjw 6y ago
  Wait, what is a non-immigrant visa?
  - 838hhh 6y ago
    You are not expected to stay after the visa expires.
    - 29athrowaway 6y ago
      This definition is inaccurate.
      - 29athrowaway 6y ago
        Let me elaborate. No matter what type of visa you have, if you overstay, you will be out of status. The difference between these visa types is that one can be used to apply for a change of status to permanent resident (green card) and the other does not. If you want to get a green card and you have a non-immigrant visa, you have to apply to an immigrant visa first. There are exceptions but for temporary workers this is the case.
  - auganov 6y ago
    A visa that grants entry for some purpose on a temporary basis. As opposed to immigrant visas that can be converted to a green card. After your study is over you're supposed to go home [0]. Generally when applying for a non-immigrant visa you want to show that you have a good reason to go back home. Otherwise you'll probably be denied. Say I had an F1 and now it's long expired. Have a standard B1/B2 now. If I wish to immigrate to the US this doesn't help me in any way. Other than just being in good standing with them I guess. [0] or you could get some other visa, but if you're coming in with this intent from the get go this is potentially problematic
hnaccy 6y ago
My interpretation was that they're trying to force universities to hold physical classes in some capacity or face losing foreign students.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  My prediction is this is the first step towards kicking out Chinese students, which are increasingly viewed as spies/national security risks. Students from Brazil, France, Kenya, etc will be invited back soon enough.
- henearkr 6y ago
  Yeah, which is contrary to elementary lockdown advises to fight the covid... Purely virtual education, for the time being, is the best solution. (virtual, but nonetheless the student living in the same country as where the live lectures are being held, for the reasons I detailed in my other comments)
- paulgb 6y ago
  I'm not sure why you're being downvoted, this is a reasonable interpretation that matches what the universities themselves claimed: > The universities said in their court challenge to the latest policy that “by all appearances,” the government’s attempt to force international students to study on campus had also been a political move, calculated to advance the Trump administration’s agenda to force universities to reopen their gates with in-person classes. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/coronavirus-international-foreign-student-visas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/coronavirus-internatio... Of course the fact that this hurts immigrants is icing on the cake to the administration, but it seems like the primary goal of this was to use international student revenue as leverage to force universities to open.

mpfundstein 6y ago

you can really hate Trump because of its views and manners but one thing is for certain: he was always honest about what he would do when in office and he is pursuing that relentlessly. wohld be nice to have a more centric candidate who would have this persistance and 'idgaf, attitude. but you probably need to be a psychopat to pull that off

fredley 6y ago
There isn't really such a thing as 'idgaf' centrism though, centrism is about balance and carefully treading a path that meets some of the desires of all sides, while at the same time not going 'far enough' by making compromises. An 'idgaf' attitude is extremist by its very nature.
- kohtatsu 6y ago
  They could not give a fuck about the compromises being made.
lagilogi 6y ago
So was Hitler.
AsyncAwait 6y ago
I agree. He was honest. Where he wasn't honest was in admiring that many U.S. interventions he continues create the very same immigrants he wants to stop coming in. As an European looking at the U.S., it isn't really a desirable place to be anymore, if it ever was. No universal healthcare during a pandemic? not wearing masks being considered cool & edgy?, sky high cost of living and even being treated with suspicion and the feeling that I am somehow not thankful enough to be in a COVID hotspot, while trying to not ever meet any law enforcement as the chances of surviving even a speeding ticket encounter are nowhere near as high as they are elsewhere in the world? Doesn't sound too appealing, unless in a really desperate situation. The U.S. relied on soft power, (Hollywood), for decades to sell a manufactured image of how great it is, but with increased information sharing, I suspect this image is being eroded.
- secondcoming 6y ago
  Not to mention being white in tech over there is likely to be a headache
nawwal 6y ago
Honest about what he would do? - Build the wall: almost no new wall has actually been built - Drain the swamp: puts friends and family members in positions of power or influence, gives get-out-of-jail cards to convicted loyal friends, literally spends millions of government dollars to vacation and golf at his own resorts - Other random things he said early on: peace in the Middle East will be easy (lol), get rid of Obamacare but offer a better alternative (gets rid of provisions during the pandemic) - the list goes on and on
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mazatp 6y ago
What has he done against the deep state?
Barrin92 6y ago
>wohld be nice to have a more centric candidate who would have this persistance and 'idgaf, attitude. Not really. This sort of Caesarism and strongman attitude is a disease. Fucntioning governments and societies rest on pluralism and compromise between institutions, not on someone at the top "not giving a fuck". This desire for "not giving a fuck" is at its core a childish attitude that's rooted in people not being able to live with the tension that occurs when diverse interests need to be taken into account. It's usually combined with Machismo and it's pretty much what many Latin American countries perpetually suffer from.

auganov 6y ago

F1 (student) are strictly non-immigrant visas.

gregjw 6y ago
Wait, what is a non-immigrant visa?
- 838hhh 6y ago
  You are not expected to stay after the visa expires.
  - 29athrowaway 6y ago
    This definition is inaccurate.
    - 29athrowaway 6y ago
      Let me elaborate. No matter what type of visa you have, if you overstay, you will be out of status. The difference between these visa types is that one can be used to apply for a change of status to permanent resident (green card) and the other does not. If you want to get a green card and you have a non-immigrant visa, you have to apply to an immigrant visa first. There are exceptions but for temporary workers this is the case.
- auganov 6y ago
  A visa that grants entry for some purpose on a temporary basis. As opposed to immigrant visas that can be converted to a green card. After your study is over you're supposed to go home [0]. Generally when applying for a non-immigrant visa you want to show that you have a good reason to go back home. Otherwise you'll probably be denied. Say I had an F1 and now it's long expired. Have a standard B1/B2 now. If I wish to immigrate to the US this doesn't help me in any way. Other than just being in good standing with them I guess. [0] or you could get some other visa, but if you're coming in with this intent from the get go this is potentially problematic

hnaccy 6y ago

My interpretation was that they're trying to force universities to hold physical classes in some capacity or face losing foreign students.

Consultant32452 6y ago
My prediction is this is the first step towards kicking out Chinese students, which are increasingly viewed as spies/national security risks. Students from Brazil, France, Kenya, etc will be invited back soon enough.
henearkr 6y ago
Yeah, which is contrary to elementary lockdown advises to fight the covid... Purely virtual education, for the time being, is the best solution. (virtual, but nonetheless the student living in the same country as where the live lectures are being held, for the reasons I detailed in my other comments)
paulgb 6y ago
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted, this is a reasonable interpretation that matches what the universities themselves claimed: > The universities said in their court challenge to the latest policy that “by all appearances,” the government’s attempt to force international students to study on campus had also been a political move, calculated to advance the Trump administration’s agenda to force universities to reopen their gates with in-person classes. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/coronavirus-international-foreign-student-visas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/coronavirus-internatio... Of course the fact that this hurts immigrants is icing on the cake to the administration, but it seems like the primary goal of this was to use international student revenue as leverage to force universities to open.