5 ms·

FU Money, and FU Paperwork, is basically what I gradually came to live, after gradually unsubscribing from all of it. It's been an amazing experience, and yes,

FU Money, and FU Paperwork, is basically what I gradually came to live, after gradually unsubscribing from all of it. It's been an amazing experience, and yes, very freeing.

rumanator 6y ago
The main problem with this blend of "liberating experiences" is that they are all fine and dandy when you're in your 20s and 30s. When health concerns start to kick in and your ability to generate income is hampered by the fact that you've decided to pay no attention to your career then that's where the consequences of your decisions start to catch up with you. It's like those hedonists who choose to spend their life up to their late 20s/early 30s chasing parties while either living off someone else or barely generating any income suddenly need to realize they are powerless to address their basic needs.
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  You speak of health concerns down the road, but I have concerns over the health of my soul right now. I do not want to get to old age and realize that I've just been doing pointless shit for money my whole life, just to stay safe, meanwhile building someone's stupid dream instead of my good dream. Where are those advertising campaigns I worked on so hard, putting in extra hours to hit the arbitrary deadlines? Gone, forever forgotten. Where is that loan lifecycle management application I put so much effort into? How has it helped the world? It hasn't. I helped someone else funnel money into financial instruments. When someone asks me what I did with my life, will I say that I helped a brand sell more product? That I did very thorough testing of ad delivery components to ensure that the tracking was reliable? That I helped increase conversions by 30% by optimizing the UI? I don't think getting more help with health issues down the road is a worthwhile tradeoff for all this. It sounds like fear-guided. Yet medical industry cannot help with most situations when body is already damaged. They can only help with symptoms, and often poorly. Having seen relatives through it, I would like to avoid it as much as possible. Many health issues are developed from not enough sleep, over-work, and over-stress. I believe that if I am careful, I can actually live longer AND better by not sacrificing my health for jobwork. I really like that quote by IIRC His Holiness the Dalai Lama, which goes like this: people trade their health for money, then try to use money to get their health back. I don't want to live that life. It's nice to have enough time for a party or two, it's unhealthy to not go to one occasionally, IMO.
  - rumanator 6y ago
    > You speak of health concerns down the road, but I have concerns over the health of my soul right now. I do not want to get to old age and realize that I've just been doing pointless shit for money my whole life, just to stay safe, meanwhile building someone's stupid dream instead of my good dream. That's where the hedonism road leads you, but whose trip just takes you 20 to 30 years instead of 60 or 70 or 80. The ant and the grasshopper fable was written down by Aesop over 2 thousand years ago. This isn't new. Just because you come up with an excuse about "soul health" that doesn't mean that you aren't volunteering to enter a world of pain by neglecting your livelihood and ability to generate income. And please do realize you do have influence over your career. If you chose to work on uninspiring projects them... Don't, and instead search for projects that you feel are more rewarding. Demand for skilled developers is so high that anyone remotely competent has to fend off recruiters lining up to pay salaries that are way above any nation's median wage.
distances 6y ago
What's FU paperwork? Only relevant Google hit I see is pointing to this comment.
- Havoc 6y ago
  Don’t know what parent commenter meant but for me it’s multiple passport and qualifications that will fly anywhere. So when a country doesn’t work out I just go somewhere else.
  - germinalphrase 6y ago
    Is your passport situation by luck of your birth or have you gone through the expense/hoop jumping of obtaining passports?
    - Havoc 6y ago
      Two by birth. Third is still six months to go for sufficient years. (Currently perma res which is functionally the same for now)
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  I believe that it should not be necessary to fill out paperwork in order to exist. So I don't do it.
  - distances 6y ago
    You've then misunderstood what "FU money" means. It doesn't mean you disregard money, on the contrary. It means you have enough money to make the choices you're happy with. Most common case being you don't have to do work that makes you unhappy. I think this was laid out in the article well enough. In the same vein "FU paperwork" should mean you have powerful enough paperwork to disregard some annoyances in life. It does not mean you can skip doing paperwork.

FU Money, and FU Paperwork, is basically what I gradually came to live, after gradually unsubscribing from all of it. It's been an amazing experience, and yes, very freeing.

rumanator 6y ago

The main problem with this blend of "liberating experiences" is that they are all fine and dandy when you're in your 20s and 30s. When health concerns start to kick in and your ability to generate income is hampered by the fact that you've decided to pay no attention to your career then that's where the consequences of your decisions start to catch up with you. It's like those hedonists who choose to spend their life up to their late 20s/early 30s chasing parties while either living off someone else or barely generating any income suddenly need to realize they are powerless to address their basic needs.

forgotmypw17 6y ago
You speak of health concerns down the road, but I have concerns over the health of my soul right now. I do not want to get to old age and realize that I've just been doing pointless shit for money my whole life, just to stay safe, meanwhile building someone's stupid dream instead of my good dream. Where are those advertising campaigns I worked on so hard, putting in extra hours to hit the arbitrary deadlines? Gone, forever forgotten. Where is that loan lifecycle management application I put so much effort into? How has it helped the world? It hasn't. I helped someone else funnel money into financial instruments. When someone asks me what I did with my life, will I say that I helped a brand sell more product? That I did very thorough testing of ad delivery components to ensure that the tracking was reliable? That I helped increase conversions by 30% by optimizing the UI? I don't think getting more help with health issues down the road is a worthwhile tradeoff for all this. It sounds like fear-guided. Yet medical industry cannot help with most situations when body is already damaged. They can only help with symptoms, and often poorly. Having seen relatives through it, I would like to avoid it as much as possible. Many health issues are developed from not enough sleep, over-work, and over-stress. I believe that if I am careful, I can actually live longer AND better by not sacrificing my health for jobwork. I really like that quote by IIRC His Holiness the Dalai Lama, which goes like this: people trade their health for money, then try to use money to get their health back. I don't want to live that life. It's nice to have enough time for a party or two, it's unhealthy to not go to one occasionally, IMO.
- rumanator 6y ago
  > You speak of health concerns down the road, but I have concerns over the health of my soul right now. I do not want to get to old age and realize that I've just been doing pointless shit for money my whole life, just to stay safe, meanwhile building someone's stupid dream instead of my good dream. That's where the hedonism road leads you, but whose trip just takes you 20 to 30 years instead of 60 or 70 or 80. The ant and the grasshopper fable was written down by Aesop over 2 thousand years ago. This isn't new. Just because you come up with an excuse about "soul health" that doesn't mean that you aren't volunteering to enter a world of pain by neglecting your livelihood and ability to generate income. And please do realize you do have influence over your career. If you chose to work on uninspiring projects them... Don't, and instead search for projects that you feel are more rewarding. Demand for skilled developers is so high that anyone remotely competent has to fend off recruiters lining up to pay salaries that are way above any nation's median wage.

distances 6y ago

What's FU paperwork? Only relevant Google hit I see is pointing to this comment.

Havoc 6y ago
Don’t know what parent commenter meant but for me it’s multiple passport and qualifications that will fly anywhere. So when a country doesn’t work out I just go somewhere else.
- germinalphrase 6y ago
  Is your passport situation by luck of your birth or have you gone through the expense/hoop jumping of obtaining passports?
  - Havoc 6y ago
    Two by birth. Third is still six months to go for sufficient years. (Currently perma res which is functionally the same for now)
forgotmypw17 6y ago
I believe that it should not be necessary to fill out paperwork in order to exist. So I don't do it.
- distances 6y ago
  You've then misunderstood what "FU money" means. It doesn't mean you disregard money, on the contrary. It means you have enough money to make the choices you're happy with. Most common case being you don't have to do work that makes you unhappy. I think this was laid out in the article well enough. In the same vein "FU paperwork" should mean you have powerful enough paperwork to disregard some annoyances in life. It does not mean you can skip doing paperwork.