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Visited there a few years ago. Our guide explained to us that the indentations in the walls, that are like windows that only go halfway through the wall, were e

Visited there a few years ago. Our guide explained to us that the indentations in the walls, that are like windows that only go halfway through the wall, were earthquake proofing technology. He said it dampened the propagation of shock waves through the rock wall to avoid catastrophic damage. Pretty cool stuff. It’s an incredible place, I wish everyone could go see it with their own eyes, like so many things out there. Sad to see the note of over tourism at the end, and the plans for a new airport. The road less traveled has always appealed to me, but by traveling those roads, I kind of ruin what I like the most. Don’t know how to reconcile that. Like, I loved hearing how the town at the base of Macchu Picchu only allowed bringing in supplies by horse to restrict the development to a reasonable pace. (At least at first–now there’s a train.) But, in the interest of that road less traveled, I’ll throw out a recommendation for the Salkantay trek to get there from Cuzco. It approaches it from the opposite side than the Inca trail. You’ll get less ruins on the way there, but the villages and wilderness were outstanding, not to mention Mt Salkantay.

onetimemanytime 6y ago
off topic: did you feel altitude sickness?
- sixstringtheory 6y ago
  The pass by Mt Salkantay was just over 15K ft at the highest point. I’d been training in Colorado so didn’t get sick, but definitely felt it! One person in our group did get a bit sick, our guide had him huff some kind of tincture. The coca candies/tea helped a bit as well. Edit to add: the first day in Cuzco is pretty rough though, spent all day lounging and napping. It’s around 11K ft.
- acrooks 6y ago
  I visited in December 2017 and was worried about altitude sickness, but was quite rushed the days before the trip and didn’t have a chance to get sickness pills from my doctor. I personally didn’t feel any symptoms, and neither did my friends. We’re all active and healthy people in their 20s. The only real impact was reaching a shortness of breath much more quickly: hiking and such was certainly a lot more difficult than I’m used to at sea level. I had the same type of experience ski touring in Colorado; never really feeling satiated from breathing during vigorous activity.
  - onetimemanytime 6y ago
    Once, in a car, we were passing a mountain and the road was zigzag, going up and then down on the other side...definitely felt blood pressure changing. My ears were popping, I guess were moving too fast for the body to adjust. Everyone had the same symptoms, so I felt better :)
- toomanybeersies 6y ago
  I didn't, but by the time I visited Machu Picchu I had already spent a couple of weeks at altitude, including climbing a 6,000 m summit. Altitude sickness is a weird one, I'm a smoker and don't exercise, yet I was affected less than my friends who were all non-smokers and exercise regularly.
  - VVertigo 6y ago
    That is pretty common: smokers are already acclimatized to low oxygen, so they cope well with the altitude. Not that I would suggest taking up smoking to go on a mountain hike.
- mattlondon 6y ago
  I found that we were not affected by it at all, apart from occasionally out of nowhere just needing to take a really deep breath every now and then. This would be at really odd moments where I was not really exerting myself - e.g. sitting at the dinner table. We still drunk the cocotea etc though for the "authentic" experience! For what it was worth, we were not especially fit and a bit overweight at the time. We spent a few days in Cuzco taking it easy to acclimatise. We were more worried about getting sick from taking showers or drinking local water than the altitude. There is some cool blockwork to see in Cuzco too (although it is quite a steep walk up to the citadel)
- bregma 6y ago
  The only thing that made me sick was the anti-altitude medication. That stuff is nasty. Oh, sure, I got exhausted crossing the Dead Woman's Pass but considering I had just walked up the side of a mountain, that's not so surprising. A week in Arequipa and a week in Cusco before trekking to Machu Picchu is enough to acclimatize your body. If you fly in and take the tourist bus to the snapchat opportunity, things might be different. One thing I'll assert is that a couple of weeks later I ran my best ever time in a road race.
- mattmaroon 6y ago
  I spent a night in an altitude sickness clinic in Cusco on my way there! When we’d arrived (I was traveling with a large group for my friend’s wedding) we had some tours planned. They tell you not to hike, not to eat a big meal, and not to drink alcohol. So of course most of us did all three. I’ve never had problems before even at similar altitudes, but my O2 sat got down to nearly 80 by the time I was put in the ambulance. It wasn’t pleasant. But, a night hooked up to oxygen and I was fine. The hospital mostly catered to people with altitude sickness (even the locals get it, and it is seemingly random in who gets it and when) and was nicer than my hotel. I got an ambulance ride there and a night in the hospital. They made me sign a waiver saying I agreed to pay it no matter the cost, and I was thinking about how many organs I’d have to sell to pay for it. Final price: $130. The place was cheaper and nicer than my hotel, and with decent meals and all the oxygen you can huff, so next time I’ll just book it. Edit: one piece of advice. If you’re going to somewhere with that altitude, get a cheap pulse oxymeter on Amazon first! The hotels don’t have them.
- GordonS 6y ago
  We went to Machu Picchu around 10 years back, and as I'm slightly asthmatic I was a bit worried about the altitude sickness. I'd read beforehand than coca leaves help prevent it, and made sure I drank lots of coca tea during our time there. I don't know if it was the coca, but I barely felt the effects of altitude. We even went up the mountain beside the ruins (Huayna Picchu?), and it was no problem at all (at the time I was of medium build, but not particularly fit). Cocoa tea tastes quite nice anyway, and the locals swear by the stuff - I recommend it.
- hindsightbias 6y ago
  On Salkantay (which can be a luxury trip, the facilities are first-rate), you start at Cuzco for a day or two which is a higher elevation than MP. But the pass is ~15k, which takes a few days to hike to on the trail. Getting over the pass was still a major chore for many in our group. The last 1k uphill was walking 100' and taking a minute break. People who raced up or down got sick.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  For anyone contemplating going, it’s worth visiting a doctor for a script to get acetazolamide (trade name Diamox). Heed the advice to eat very little and avoid/reduce alcohol. The number of people we saw ruin their holiday for the sake of a big meal and a couple of beers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetazolamide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetazolamide
- yencabulator 6y ago
  Wikipedia says Machu Pichu is only 2,400 meters / 7,900 feet altitude? That's not that high. I mean, sure, try to acclimate somewhere if you're coming in from sea level, but much of Colorado is at that elevation, and the peaks are above 14,000 feet. Traveling to ski at Telluride is more elevation.
  - domovoykot 6y ago
    The issue is probably not Machu Picchu, but the arrival to Cuzco (which is where most people travel to Machu Picchu from). Cuzco is at ~11,000 ft, and most people arrive via a short flight from Lima, which is at sea level. So you do gain a bit of altitude in a pretty short amount of time.
  - fimbulvetr 6y ago
    That's right. Before I went, I spent at least a 18 months hiking trails in Colorado with similar profiles to the one we'd do on the 1 day Inca trail which led to a 2nd day at MP. I also ski a decent amount every year here in CO. I can say with certainty that it wasn't enough to keep up with our Inca guide or even to tackle the hike with no complaints. While I'm sure it helped considerably to prepare for months ahead of time, I personally feel that there's some other unquantified difference between here and there that makes it just a bit harder. But try it and let me know if it was just a walk in the park. Just don't drink the coca tea the night before you start your hike like I foolishly did. We also did hyanu piccu, which is absolutely amazing and an additional hike that is like a sprint at the end of a difficult race. It doesn't take long, but at the very least can give you a great carido workout.
mehrdadn 6y ago
I take this to mean that you can actually go visit the site shown in the photo? The only pictures I recall ever seeing of Machu Picchu have been the ones overlooking it from far away (like in the article). For some reason I thought normal people couldn't get much closer than that.
- sixstringtheory 6y ago
  Yes, you can walk through most of the ruins. A few were roped off for restoration/excavation. You can also climb up Huayna Picchu, the tall, sharp spire that sits behind the ruins from the classic vantage point. There are ruins at the top too, and you feel like you're floating in the sky.
- moray 6y ago
  You can and it is sort of a tourist trap. It is quite expensive to get there and not super easy and despite this when you get there you end up being one of the couple of thousands people visiting it every day. It felt way more people were there when I was visiting... The closest villages are setup for tourism, hotels, restaurants all over the place, ugly buildings built just for the purpose (often unfinished) in an otherwise beautiful valley. I am aware I was one among many but I wish the Peruvian government would regulate an protect more the site. I am guessing now it is the moment to go there though...
  - ghaff 6y ago
    The Inca Trail and Machu Picchu is a trip I sort of wish I had taken 30 years ago but don't really have a desire to go at this point.
  - mateus1 6y ago
    I went there a month before they cordoned off more sections. I don't see how it's a tourist trap. It's definitely hard to get there but it's completely worth it. I literally cried when I got there. Go to a lot of the museums and sites near Cusco before going there, they are great and you learn the imperial history.
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bergstromm466 6y ago
> The road less traveled Did you know the way that we commonly interpret this poem is actually the opposite of how Frost intended it? The article I quote below makes the assertion that this poem is one of the most popular yet misunderstood poem of all time: "This is the most remarkable thing about “The Road Not Taken”—not its immense popularity (which is remarkable enough), but the fact that it is popular for what seem to be the wrong reasons. Most widely celebrated artistic projects are known for being essentially what they purport to be. [...] When we read Joyce’s Ulysses, we correctly assume that it’s a complex story about a journey around Dublin as filtered through many voices and styles. A cultural offering may be simple or complex, cooked or raw, but its audience nearly always knows what kind of dish is being served. Frost’s poem turns this expectation on its head. Most readers consider “The Road Not Taken” to be a paean to triumphant self-assertion (“I took the one less traveled by”), but the literal meaning of the poem’s own lines seems completely at odds with this interpretation. The poem’s speaker tells us he “shall be telling,” at some point in the future, of how he took the road less traveled by, yet he has already admitted that the two paths “equally lay / In leaves” and “the passing there / Had worn them really about the same.” So the road he will later call less traveled is actually the road equally traveled. The two roads are interchangeable. According to this reading, then, the speaker will be claiming “ages and ages hence” that his decision made “all the difference” only because this is the kind of claim we make when we want to comfort or blame ourselves by assuming that our current position is the product of our own choices (as opposed to what was chosen for us or allotted to us by chance). The poem isn’t a salute to can-do individualism; it’s a commentary on the self-deception we practice when constructing the story of our own lives. “The Road Not Taken” may be, as the critic Frank Lentricchia memorably put it, “the best example in all of American poetry of a wolf in sheep’s clothing.” But we could go further: It may be the best example in all of American culture of a wolf in sheep’s clothing." [1] [1] https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/09/11/the-most-misread-poem-in-america/ https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/09/11/the-most-misr...
- ghaff 6y ago
  I'm not sure how widespread the agreement about the alternate interpretation is. (I've never seen anything where Frost himself stated how he intended the poem to be taken.) But I've always tended to believe it since hearing it from an English professor of mine back in school.
throwaway6734 6y ago
> The road less traveled has always appealed to me, but by traveling those roads, I kind of ruin what I like the most. Don’t know how to reconcile that. Perhaps by instituting hard caps on the number of visitors while selecting visitors via a lottery system or by making the sites more accessible remotely.
- jl6 6y ago
  Or by going to less famous places. The world is big, there is lots to see, and frankly the “top destinations” are mostly miserable to visit because of the crowds.
  - sixstringtheory 6y ago
    Very true. Antelope canyon in NM is one of the worst I’ve seen. Totally crammed with people and you have to move through it quickly. There are many like it around the area, but they don’t have the little tourism setup to drive you there etc. There is also the concern of people going to them without understanding you can die in flash floods. But you are right, there is so much to see. Part of appreciating it all is a matter of your own perspective,, not just because it’s where everyone else goes.
- murukesh_s 6y ago
  >instituting hard caps on the number of visitors second that. i believe we already do that in several marine sanctuaries around the world.

onetimemanytime 6y ago

off topic: did you feel altitude sickness?

sixstringtheory 6y ago
The pass by Mt Salkantay was just over 15K ft at the highest point. I’d been training in Colorado so didn’t get sick, but definitely felt it! One person in our group did get a bit sick, our guide had him huff some kind of tincture. The coca candies/tea helped a bit as well. Edit to add: the first day in Cuzco is pretty rough though, spent all day lounging and napping. It’s around 11K ft.
acrooks 6y ago
I visited in December 2017 and was worried about altitude sickness, but was quite rushed the days before the trip and didn’t have a chance to get sickness pills from my doctor. I personally didn’t feel any symptoms, and neither did my friends. We’re all active and healthy people in their 20s. The only real impact was reaching a shortness of breath much more quickly: hiking and such was certainly a lot more difficult than I’m used to at sea level. I had the same type of experience ski touring in Colorado; never really feeling satiated from breathing during vigorous activity.
- onetimemanytime 6y ago
  Once, in a car, we were passing a mountain and the road was zigzag, going up and then down on the other side...definitely felt blood pressure changing. My ears were popping, I guess were moving too fast for the body to adjust. Everyone had the same symptoms, so I felt better :)
toomanybeersies 6y ago
I didn't, but by the time I visited Machu Picchu I had already spent a couple of weeks at altitude, including climbing a 6,000 m summit. Altitude sickness is a weird one, I'm a smoker and don't exercise, yet I was affected less than my friends who were all non-smokers and exercise regularly.
- VVertigo 6y ago
  That is pretty common: smokers are already acclimatized to low oxygen, so they cope well with the altitude. Not that I would suggest taking up smoking to go on a mountain hike.
mattlondon 6y ago
I found that we were not affected by it at all, apart from occasionally out of nowhere just needing to take a really deep breath every now and then. This would be at really odd moments where I was not really exerting myself - e.g. sitting at the dinner table. We still drunk the cocotea etc though for the "authentic" experience! For what it was worth, we were not especially fit and a bit overweight at the time. We spent a few days in Cuzco taking it easy to acclimatise. We were more worried about getting sick from taking showers or drinking local water than the altitude. There is some cool blockwork to see in Cuzco too (although it is quite a steep walk up to the citadel)
bregma 6y ago
The only thing that made me sick was the anti-altitude medication. That stuff is nasty. Oh, sure, I got exhausted crossing the Dead Woman's Pass but considering I had just walked up the side of a mountain, that's not so surprising. A week in Arequipa and a week in Cusco before trekking to Machu Picchu is enough to acclimatize your body. If you fly in and take the tourist bus to the snapchat opportunity, things might be different. One thing I'll assert is that a couple of weeks later I ran my best ever time in a road race.
mattmaroon 6y ago
I spent a night in an altitude sickness clinic in Cusco on my way there! When we’d arrived (I was traveling with a large group for my friend’s wedding) we had some tours planned. They tell you not to hike, not to eat a big meal, and not to drink alcohol. So of course most of us did all three. I’ve never had problems before even at similar altitudes, but my O2 sat got down to nearly 80 by the time I was put in the ambulance. It wasn’t pleasant. But, a night hooked up to oxygen and I was fine. The hospital mostly catered to people with altitude sickness (even the locals get it, and it is seemingly random in who gets it and when) and was nicer than my hotel. I got an ambulance ride there and a night in the hospital. They made me sign a waiver saying I agreed to pay it no matter the cost, and I was thinking about how many organs I’d have to sell to pay for it. Final price: $130. The place was cheaper and nicer than my hotel, and with decent meals and all the oxygen you can huff, so next time I’ll just book it. Edit: one piece of advice. If you’re going to somewhere with that altitude, get a cheap pulse oxymeter on Amazon first! The hotels don’t have them.
GordonS 6y ago
We went to Machu Picchu around 10 years back, and as I'm slightly asthmatic I was a bit worried about the altitude sickness. I'd read beforehand than coca leaves help prevent it, and made sure I drank lots of coca tea during our time there. I don't know if it was the coca, but I barely felt the effects of altitude. We even went up the mountain beside the ruins (Huayna Picchu?), and it was no problem at all (at the time I was of medium build, but not particularly fit). Cocoa tea tastes quite nice anyway, and the locals swear by the stuff - I recommend it.
hindsightbias 6y ago
On Salkantay (which can be a luxury trip, the facilities are first-rate), you start at Cuzco for a day or two which is a higher elevation than MP. But the pass is ~15k, which takes a few days to hike to on the trail. Getting over the pass was still a major chore for many in our group. The last 1k uphill was walking 100' and taking a minute break. People who raced up or down got sick.
lostlogin 6y ago
For anyone contemplating going, it’s worth visiting a doctor for a script to get acetazolamide (trade name Diamox). Heed the advice to eat very little and avoid/reduce alcohol. The number of people we saw ruin their holiday for the sake of a big meal and a couple of beers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetazolamide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetazolamide
yencabulator 6y ago
Wikipedia says Machu Pichu is only 2,400 meters / 7,900 feet altitude? That's not that high. I mean, sure, try to acclimate somewhere if you're coming in from sea level, but much of Colorado is at that elevation, and the peaks are above 14,000 feet. Traveling to ski at Telluride is more elevation.
- domovoykot 6y ago
  The issue is probably not Machu Picchu, but the arrival to Cuzco (which is where most people travel to Machu Picchu from). Cuzco is at ~11,000 ft, and most people arrive via a short flight from Lima, which is at sea level. So you do gain a bit of altitude in a pretty short amount of time.
- fimbulvetr 6y ago
  That's right. Before I went, I spent at least a 18 months hiking trails in Colorado with similar profiles to the one we'd do on the 1 day Inca trail which led to a 2nd day at MP. I also ski a decent amount every year here in CO. I can say with certainty that it wasn't enough to keep up with our Inca guide or even to tackle the hike with no complaints. While I'm sure it helped considerably to prepare for months ahead of time, I personally feel that there's some other unquantified difference between here and there that makes it just a bit harder. But try it and let me know if it was just a walk in the park. Just don't drink the coca tea the night before you start your hike like I foolishly did. We also did hyanu piccu, which is absolutely amazing and an additional hike that is like a sprint at the end of a difficult race. It doesn't take long, but at the very least can give you a great carido workout.

mehrdadn 6y ago

I take this to mean that you can actually go visit the site shown in the photo? The only pictures I recall ever seeing of Machu Picchu have been the ones overlooking it from far away (like in the article). For some reason I thought normal people couldn't get much closer than that.

sixstringtheory 6y ago
Yes, you can walk through most of the ruins. A few were roped off for restoration/excavation. You can also climb up Huayna Picchu, the tall, sharp spire that sits behind the ruins from the classic vantage point. There are ruins at the top too, and you feel like you're floating in the sky.
moray 6y ago
You can and it is sort of a tourist trap. It is quite expensive to get there and not super easy and despite this when you get there you end up being one of the couple of thousands people visiting it every day. It felt way more people were there when I was visiting... The closest villages are setup for tourism, hotels, restaurants all over the place, ugly buildings built just for the purpose (often unfinished) in an otherwise beautiful valley. I am aware I was one among many but I wish the Peruvian government would regulate an protect more the site. I am guessing now it is the moment to go there though...
- ghaff 6y ago
  The Inca Trail and Machu Picchu is a trip I sort of wish I had taken 30 years ago but don't really have a desire to go at this point.
- mateus1 6y ago
  I went there a month before they cordoned off more sections. I don't see how it's a tourist trap. It's definitely hard to get there but it's completely worth it. I literally cried when I got there. Go to a lot of the museums and sites near Cusco before going there, they are great and you learn the imperial history.
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bergstromm466 6y ago

> The road less traveled Did you know the way that we commonly interpret this poem is actually the opposite of how Frost intended it? The article I quote below makes the assertion that this poem is one of the most popular yet misunderstood poem of all time: "This is the most remarkable thing about “The Road Not Taken”—not its immense popularity (which is remarkable enough), but the fact that it is popular for what seem to be the wrong reasons. Most widely celebrated artistic projects are known for being essentially what they purport to be. [...] When we read Joyce’s Ulysses, we correctly assume that it’s a complex story about a journey around Dublin as filtered through many voices and styles. A cultural offering may be simple or complex, cooked or raw, but its audience nearly always knows what kind of dish is being served. Frost’s poem turns this expectation on its head. Most readers consider “The Road Not Taken” to be a paean to triumphant self-assertion (“I took the one less traveled by”), but the literal meaning of the poem’s own lines seems completely at odds with this interpretation. The poem’s speaker tells us he “shall be telling,” at some point in the future, of how he took the road less traveled by, yet he has already admitted that the two paths “equally lay / In leaves” and “the passing there / Had worn them really about the same.” So the road he will later call less traveled is actually the road equally traveled. The two roads are interchangeable. According to this reading, then, the speaker will be claiming “ages and ages hence” that his decision made “all the difference” only because this is the kind of claim we make when we want to comfort or blame ourselves by assuming that our current position is the product of our own choices (as opposed to what was chosen for us or allotted to us by chance). The poem isn’t a salute to can-do individualism; it’s a commentary on the self-deception we practice when constructing the story of our own lives. “The Road Not Taken” may be, as the critic Frank Lentricchia memorably put it, “the best example in all of American poetry of a wolf in sheep’s clothing.” But we could go further: It may be the best example in all of American culture of a wolf in sheep’s clothing." [1] [1] https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/09/11/the-most-misread-poem-in-america/ https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/09/11/the-most-misr...

ghaff 6y ago
I'm not sure how widespread the agreement about the alternate interpretation is. (I've never seen anything where Frost himself stated how he intended the poem to be taken.) But I've always tended to believe it since hearing it from an English professor of mine back in school.

throwaway6734 6y ago

> The road less traveled has always appealed to me, but by traveling those roads, I kind of ruin what I like the most. Don’t know how to reconcile that. Perhaps by instituting hard caps on the number of visitors while selecting visitors via a lottery system or by making the sites more accessible remotely.

jl6 6y ago
Or by going to less famous places. The world is big, there is lots to see, and frankly the “top destinations” are mostly miserable to visit because of the crowds.
- sixstringtheory 6y ago
  Very true. Antelope canyon in NM is one of the worst I’ve seen. Totally crammed with people and you have to move through it quickly. There are many like it around the area, but they don’t have the little tourism setup to drive you there etc. There is also the concern of people going to them without understanding you can die in flash floods. But you are right, there is so much to see. Part of appreciating it all is a matter of your own perspective,, not just because it’s where everyone else goes.
murukesh_s 6y ago
>instituting hard caps on the number of visitors second that. i believe we already do that in several marine sanctuaries around the world.