> The actual footage and pilot accounts are consistent with submarine launched weather balloons, halo artifacts on IRST systems, and similar banal explanations.

> The actual footage and pilot accounts are consistent with submarine launched weather balloons, halo artifacts on IRST systems, and similar banal explanations. This is totally incorrect. There is nothing balloon like or halo artifact like about the tic-tac and Fravor's description. It's just not true. I agree that many of the people around the ufo phenomenon are cranks and liars, but that doesn't mean everyone is or that all sightings and eye witness testimony are fake or lies or misunderstandings. What fravor and people on the nimitz described is nothing like what you lumped everything under, it's just not. If you want to call them all liars too, that's fine, but if not, what they described, the eyewitness accounts are not what you described.