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I get almost Manhattan Project vibes from this. Pure speculation like everyone else, but I imagine that they're slowly disclosing some huge tech jump (akin to

I get almost Manhattan Project vibes from this. Pure speculation like everyone else, but I imagine that they're slowly disclosing some huge tech jump (akin to splitting the atom in the '40s), but they don't want everyone to know about it. Drawing similarities to the Manhattan Project, no one really knew what was going on until the moment the bombs dropped. What's more likely? That some advanced species has jumped across space and then crash landed in the American desert? Or that we have figured out how to manipulate gravity in some way, and people have been seeing some weird stuff going on in the American Southwest, which is a known area for military experiments. Edit: As another commenter mentioned, the Navy already has a patent on a craft that manipulates gravity: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-g...

mrfusion 6y ago
Maybe that emdrive stuff actually worked?
- LyndsySimon 6y ago
  As cool and revolutionary as that would be for the future of mankind in the long run, it wouldn't have any immediate or short-term impact. Anti-gravity/electrogravitics would make all kinds of sci-fi stuff possible. It would be a much, much bigger deal.
- nomel 6y ago
  Perhaps related to the X-37B? [1] https://www.wired.co.uk/article/boeing-x-37b-space-plane https://www.wired.co.uk/article/boeing-x-37b-space-plane
  - dvh 6y ago
    > off-world vehicles not made on this earth So they put 3d printer on x-37b plane and print some gadgets in space and dropped them from orbit.
driverdan 6y ago
That's a false dichotomy. An even more likely explanation is that people misidentify stars, planets, and regular aircraft.
- collias 6y ago
  That doesn't explain the US military consistently having encounters with aircraft that they don't understand the physics of. Perhaps they're dogfooding the product and seeing if their own pilots can catch it. So far, no one has been able to.
  - gregw2 6y ago
    ... or rather than dogfooding the tech, maybe they're testing if their pilots will talk about it overmuch or have the discretion to join the true "space corps"?
chrisco255 6y ago
If we have anti-gravity technology and they are holding back on it, then I'll be pissed, personally. It would be the most transformative technology since the light bulb or the combustion engine, and slow walking it just to hold a military edge over your opponents is ridiculous.
- collias 6y ago
  I agree, and I'd be upset as well. But it sounds more plausible than having advanced spacecraft crash in our backyard, so to speak.
- joshuaheard 6y ago
  According to Bob Lazar (Google him), we recovered a crashed UFO that uses anti-gravity technology, but we can't figure it out. The theory is one reason they are releasing it is so that they want to see if we can at least make some scientific progress on it.
- nomel 6y ago
  > most transformative technology since the light bulb Assuming it doesn't require huge energies like 1MW/lb. If it did, it would be incredible for space travel, but fairly useless and incredibly inefficient for anyones every day life.
  - anoniuyiu33412 6y ago
    Maybe they are working out technical problems like that. I remember having read some stories about the Manhattan Project, how there were countless of hard practical problems to solve before to get the bomb blowing up in the dessert. Now what it seems like a fast technological jump sprint in the 40s, was actually the lifework for dozen of persons, scientists, engineers, even some layperson giving inspiration to someone trying to solve an equation. I think they had a working bomb design almost from the beginning, but they didn't have a functional practical technique to (fastly) enrich the uranium (S-50 project and the other two). I think these years feel "fast" for many people (young specially), but the research of radical change technology remains hard as it was always. If you want a "public" example of how hard is, take a look at the CERN work.
lsllc 6y ago
Now's the time! -- I could see Trump declassifying something like this to somehow bolster his election chances.
krapp 6y ago
>What's more likely? That some advanced species has jumped across space and then crash landed in the American desert? >Or that we have figured out how to manipulate gravity in some way (...) Actually, between these two, aliens would be the more likely scenario. And by "more likely" I mean "infinitesimally likely, versus (given what we know,) absolutely impossible." Of course that's assuming "what we know" is valid enough to judge likelihood. In an "everything we know is wrong and it turns out Einstein has been superseded by new physics that allow gravity manipulation and FTL after all" scenario, all bets are off the table.
- collias 6y ago
  That's kind of what I was getting at, but you put it more succinctly. Either Einstein didn't know everything, and maybe part of his theory was a bit off. Or, there's an alien species visiting us with advanced craft that crash often enough that we find them. Of course, this is all assuming everyone on record is telling the truth, which is a pretty big assumption.
  - proto-n 6y ago
    > Either Einstein didn't know everything, and maybe part of his theory was a bit off. Or, there's an alien species visiting us with advanced craft that crash often enough that we find them. To me this sounds like either Einstein was wrong, or Einstein was wrong and there's also aliens. I don't see how they would be able to visit us without ftl technology.
benlumen 6y ago
I think it's possible that it's both. Consider the possibility that clandestine aliens are here and can mess with us and our defences and abduct us with impunity, their intentions are not great, and the manhattan project part is the reverse-engineering of their technology in order to stand a chance in the long run. There's no way to not make it sound like you're insane when speculating this topic, but it's one that far too many credible people have gone on the record with both experiences and beliefs about, for there to be nothing to it. Edgar Mitchell walked on the moon and believed that the aliens are here.

mrfusion 6y ago

Maybe that emdrive stuff actually worked?

LyndsySimon 6y ago
As cool and revolutionary as that would be for the future of mankind in the long run, it wouldn't have any immediate or short-term impact. Anti-gravity/electrogravitics would make all kinds of sci-fi stuff possible. It would be a much, much bigger deal.
nomel 6y ago
Perhaps related to the X-37B? [1] https://www.wired.co.uk/article/boeing-x-37b-space-plane https://www.wired.co.uk/article/boeing-x-37b-space-plane
- dvh 6y ago
  > off-world vehicles not made on this earth So they put 3d printer on x-37b plane and print some gadgets in space and dropped them from orbit.

driverdan 6y ago

That's a false dichotomy. An even more likely explanation is that people misidentify stars, planets, and regular aircraft.

collias 6y ago
That doesn't explain the US military consistently having encounters with aircraft that they don't understand the physics of. Perhaps they're dogfooding the product and seeing if their own pilots can catch it. So far, no one has been able to.
- gregw2 6y ago
  ... or rather than dogfooding the tech, maybe they're testing if their pilots will talk about it overmuch or have the discretion to join the true "space corps"?

chrisco255 6y ago

If we have anti-gravity technology and they are holding back on it, then I'll be pissed, personally. It would be the most transformative technology since the light bulb or the combustion engine, and slow walking it just to hold a military edge over your opponents is ridiculous.

collias 6y ago
I agree, and I'd be upset as well. But it sounds more plausible than having advanced spacecraft crash in our backyard, so to speak.
joshuaheard 6y ago
According to Bob Lazar (Google him), we recovered a crashed UFO that uses anti-gravity technology, but we can't figure it out. The theory is one reason they are releasing it is so that they want to see if we can at least make some scientific progress on it.
nomel 6y ago
> most transformative technology since the light bulb Assuming it doesn't require huge energies like 1MW/lb. If it did, it would be incredible for space travel, but fairly useless and incredibly inefficient for anyones every day life.
- anoniuyiu33412 6y ago
  Maybe they are working out technical problems like that. I remember having read some stories about the Manhattan Project, how there were countless of hard practical problems to solve before to get the bomb blowing up in the dessert. Now what it seems like a fast technological jump sprint in the 40s, was actually the lifework for dozen of persons, scientists, engineers, even some layperson giving inspiration to someone trying to solve an equation. I think they had a working bomb design almost from the beginning, but they didn't have a functional practical technique to (fastly) enrich the uranium (S-50 project and the other two). I think these years feel "fast" for many people (young specially), but the research of radical change technology remains hard as it was always. If you want a "public" example of how hard is, take a look at the CERN work.

lsllc 6y ago

Now's the time! -- I could see Trump declassifying something like this to somehow bolster his election chances.

krapp 6y ago

>What's more likely? That some advanced species has jumped across space and then crash landed in the American desert? >Or that we have figured out how to manipulate gravity in some way (...) Actually, between these two, aliens would be the more likely scenario. And by "more likely" I mean "infinitesimally likely, versus (given what we know,) absolutely impossible." Of course that's assuming "what we know" is valid enough to judge likelihood. In an "everything we know is wrong and it turns out Einstein has been superseded by new physics that allow gravity manipulation and FTL after all" scenario, all bets are off the table.

collias 6y ago
That's kind of what I was getting at, but you put it more succinctly. Either Einstein didn't know everything, and maybe part of his theory was a bit off. Or, there's an alien species visiting us with advanced craft that crash often enough that we find them. Of course, this is all assuming everyone on record is telling the truth, which is a pretty big assumption.
- proto-n 6y ago
  > Either Einstein didn't know everything, and maybe part of his theory was a bit off. Or, there's an alien species visiting us with advanced craft that crash often enough that we find them. To me this sounds like either Einstein was wrong, or Einstein was wrong and there's also aliens. I don't see how they would be able to visit us without ftl technology.

benlumen 6y ago

I think it's possible that it's both. Consider the possibility that clandestine aliens are here and can mess with us and our defences and abduct us with impunity, their intentions are not great, and the manhattan project part is the reverse-engineering of their technology in order to stand a chance in the long run. There's no way to not make it sound like you're insane when speculating this topic, but it's one that far too many credible people have gone on the record with both experiences and beliefs about, for there to be nothing to it. Edgar Mitchell walked on the moon and believed that the aliens are here.