> All of these examples are not societies implementing communism How so? > but just merely small groups of people who do so, in a safe bubble provided by a no

> All of these examples are not societies implementing communism How so? > but just merely small groups of people who do so, in a safe bubble provided by a non-communist society (US or Israel) which surrounds them. They benefit immensely from the wealth and protection coming from the surrounding non-communist society. If you talk to communists, I think you'll find a lot of communists agree with this. EDIT: That said, I think you may be underestimating the degree of independence these communes have. Keep in mind, Maoz Haim was founded in 1937, before Israel existed, which makes it a bit hard to argue that it's dependent on Israel. All three of these communes have a high degree of food and energy independence. > These conditions do not translate in any way to larger scale implementation So what? I think if you talk to communists, you'll find a lot of communists agree with this as well. Sometimes solutions don't have to scale. A famous communist once said, "Growth for the sake of growth is the idea of a cancer cell." (Okay, maybe it's a bit of a stretch to call Edward Abbey a communist). > it's not what majority of people mean when they discuss communism. So what? The majority of people don't get to tell communists what communists believe. A straw man argument doesn't become valid because the majority of people believe the straw man is real.