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What's the incentive to perform if you cannot be fired? A "guaranteed job" might as well be a simple unemployment check.

dredmorbius 6y ago
Job satisfaction / better jobs. The guaranteed job need not be pleasant. Hell, many already aren't. But a job would be guaranteed and would meet basic needs.
- generatorguy 6y ago
  people would rather be unemployed than have an unpleasant minimum wage job.
  - dredmorbius 6y ago
    That becomes an interesting dynamic expecially between universal guaranteed income and universal guaranteed employment. But the original question was how to provide incentive. Assuming able-bodied persons must provide some work, opportunities for advancement, more pay, or more favourable environment, and the prospect of less attractive work, remain. Military and similar environments provide models, e.g., latrine duty. Most people would prefer some useful occupation, I suspect, however humble. And again, with guaranteed employment, even the worst job would provide a livelihood.
RobertoG 6y ago
The reasoning is that many studies show that people that have not worked for a while have a difficult time being hired again. There are different ideas, but, I suppose that you could see it like a training program too. Also, there are some supposed psychological benefits to work. And there is always something to do at the local community level, so it would not be totally unproductive work.
JSavageOne 6y ago
The incentive is in the reward you get for performing well. Also I don't think it's necessary that a job guarantee make an employee immune from being fired. I'd imagine a job guarantee would have all kinds of jobs ranging from relatively simple (eg. cleaning) to more complex (eg. science). If you're in a more demanding department and underperforming, you could get fired and have to apply to another job in another department. For example, the military is sort of like a job guarantee in the sense that anyone meeting the physical bar is effectively hired. But any military member can get discharged.
Can_Not 6y ago
We actually have the opposite problem right now, what's the incentive to do _the right thing_ if you can be fired for not following orders? Remember that 40% of americans can't afford a $400 emergency.

dredmorbius 6y ago

Job satisfaction / better jobs. The guaranteed job need not be pleasant. Hell, many already aren't. But a job would be guaranteed and would meet basic needs.

generatorguy 6y ago
people would rather be unemployed than have an unpleasant minimum wage job.
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  That becomes an interesting dynamic expecially between universal guaranteed income and universal guaranteed employment. But the original question was how to provide incentive. Assuming able-bodied persons must provide some work, opportunities for advancement, more pay, or more favourable environment, and the prospect of less attractive work, remain. Military and similar environments provide models, e.g., latrine duty. Most people would prefer some useful occupation, I suspect, however humble. And again, with guaranteed employment, even the worst job would provide a livelihood.

RobertoG 6y ago

The reasoning is that many studies show that people that have not worked for a while have a difficult time being hired again. There are different ideas, but, I suppose that you could see it like a training program too. Also, there are some supposed psychological benefits to work. And there is always something to do at the local community level, so it would not be totally unproductive work.

JSavageOne 6y ago

The incentive is in the reward you get for performing well. Also I don't think it's necessary that a job guarantee make an employee immune from being fired. I'd imagine a job guarantee would have all kinds of jobs ranging from relatively simple (eg. cleaning) to more complex (eg. science). If you're in a more demanding department and underperforming, you could get fired and have to apply to another job in another department. For example, the military is sort of like a job guarantee in the sense that anyone meeting the physical bar is effectively hired. But any military member can get discharged.

Can_Not 6y ago

We actually have the opposite problem right now, what's the incentive to do _the right thing_ if you can be fired for not following orders? Remember that 40% of americans can't afford a $400 emergency.