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All of these examples are not societies implementing communism, but just merely small groups of people who do so, in a safe bubble provided by a non-communist s

All of these examples are not societies implementing communism, but just merely small groups of people who do so, in a safe bubble provided by a non-communist society (US or Israel) which surrounds them. They benefit immensely from the wealth and protection coming from the surrounding non-communist society. These conditions do not translate in any way to larger scale implementation and it's not what majority of people mean when they discuss communism. I'd like to see one example of communist society of let's say even just 1 million people that is not a colossal failure.

kerkeslager 6y ago
> All of these examples are not societies implementing communism How so? > but just merely small groups of people who do so, in a safe bubble provided by a non-communist society (US or Israel) which surrounds them. They benefit immensely from the wealth and protection coming from the surrounding non-communist society. If you talk to communists, I think you'll find a lot of communists agree with this. EDIT: That said, I think you may be underestimating the degree of independence these communes have. Keep in mind, Maoz Haim was founded in 1937, before Israel existed, which makes it a bit hard to argue that it's dependent on Israel. All three of these communes have a high degree of food and energy independence. > These conditions do not translate in any way to larger scale implementation So what? I think if you talk to communists, you'll find a lot of communists agree with this as well. Sometimes solutions don't have to scale. A famous communist once said, "Growth for the sake of growth is the idea of a cancer cell." (Okay, maybe it's a bit of a stretch to call Edward Abbey a communist). > it's not what majority of people mean when they discuss communism. So what? The majority of people don't get to tell communists what communists believe. A straw man argument doesn't become valid because the majority of people believe the straw man is real.

kerkeslager 6y ago

> All of these examples are not societies implementing communism How so? > but just merely small groups of people who do so, in a safe bubble provided by a non-communist society (US or Israel) which surrounds them. They benefit immensely from the wealth and protection coming from the surrounding non-communist society. If you talk to communists, I think you'll find a lot of communists agree with this. EDIT: That said, I think you may be underestimating the degree of independence these communes have. Keep in mind, Maoz Haim was founded in 1937, before Israel existed, which makes it a bit hard to argue that it's dependent on Israel. All three of these communes have a high degree of food and energy independence. > These conditions do not translate in any way to larger scale implementation So what? I think if you talk to communists, you'll find a lot of communists agree with this as well. Sometimes solutions don't have to scale. A famous communist once said, "Growth for the sake of growth is the idea of a cancer cell." (Okay, maybe it's a bit of a stretch to call Edward Abbey a communist). > it's not what majority of people mean when they discuss communism. So what? The majority of people don't get to tell communists what communists believe. A straw man argument doesn't become valid because the majority of people believe the straw man is real.