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Major IT companies in India get a lot of revenue from maintainence projects and there is usually no scope for making major changes or innovating there. The tim

by zabil 6y ago

Major IT companies in India get a lot of revenue from maintainence projects and there is usually no scope for making major changes or innovating there. The time and material billing for these make it quite attractive from a revenue point vs fixed bid greenfield projects. I don't think that situation will change anytime time soon as along as these companies stick to services.

baybal2 6y ago
Yes, one word to say — JAVA. It's pretty much, the one and only thing that keeps enterprisey software maintainance people occupied. Thought, the Java is finally on decline on the backend. Android is pulling Java devs from enterprise, and cheaper to use languages displace Java there.
- dclusin 6y ago
  Java’s still going to be in use long after we’re both dead.
  - kbrisso 6y ago
    This is so very true. I just migrated a 17 year old Struts 1.* app with most of my team in India from Weblogic to Tomee. It's a mission critical application with 400 users during business hours. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.
- noble_pleb 6y ago
  Not just Java, there is a lot of old Microsoft tech floating around too. VB6 and old versions of .NET and MSSQL are still common in many enterprises.
- jen20 6y ago
  > Thought, the Java is finally on decline on the back Is there any evidence this is actually the case?
- deleted 6y ago
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- theflyinghorse 6y ago
  There is nothing wrong with Java. Modern Java is pretty nice to use, fairly fast, has an incredible amount of libraries and tooling to do just about anything you want to do and a vast pool of talent to draw from. At my current job I try to stick to Java for any new services because it's a great overall language.
  - novok 6y ago
    People don't like Java for the same reasons they don't like Jira. It's all the culture surrounding it.
    - caoilte 6y ago
      The JIRA culture would be fine if the software wasn't a total piece of crap.
  - sidlls 6y ago
    Almost all mainstream languages are nice to use, have sufficient tooling, and are fast enough for almost any purpose one might care to apply it to. Java has become an enterprise language and is associated strongly with many negative elements of enterprise culture, though. "Written in Java" may as well be "designed by committee" or something out of a Dilbert comic or Pentagon Wars chimera.
- JAlexoid 6y ago
  > Thought, the Java is finally on decline on the backend. There's not much decline of Java overall, just a shift. The pie is getting bigger.
vvram 6y ago
This 100% it's not a problem with talent alone or their approach to their problems presented to them. It's what they are engaged on and that's controlled by the consumers of these services.

by zabil 6y ago

baybal2 6y ago

Yes, one word to say — JAVA. It's pretty much, the one and only thing that keeps enterprisey software maintainance people occupied. Thought, the Java is finally on decline on the backend. Android is pulling Java devs from enterprise, and cheaper to use languages displace Java there.

dclusin 6y ago
Java’s still going to be in use long after we’re both dead.
- kbrisso 6y ago
  This is so very true. I just migrated a 17 year old Struts 1.* app with most of my team in India from Weblogic to Tomee. It's a mission critical application with 400 users during business hours. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.
noble_pleb 6y ago
Not just Java, there is a lot of old Microsoft tech floating around too. VB6 and old versions of .NET and MSSQL are still common in many enterprises.
jen20 6y ago
> Thought, the Java is finally on decline on the back Is there any evidence this is actually the case?
deleted 6y ago
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theflyinghorse 6y ago
There is nothing wrong with Java. Modern Java is pretty nice to use, fairly fast, has an incredible amount of libraries and tooling to do just about anything you want to do and a vast pool of talent to draw from. At my current job I try to stick to Java for any new services because it's a great overall language.
- novok 6y ago
  People don't like Java for the same reasons they don't like Jira. It's all the culture surrounding it.
  - caoilte 6y ago
    The JIRA culture would be fine if the software wasn't a total piece of crap.
- sidlls 6y ago
  Almost all mainstream languages are nice to use, have sufficient tooling, and are fast enough for almost any purpose one might care to apply it to. Java has become an enterprise language and is associated strongly with many negative elements of enterprise culture, though. "Written in Java" may as well be "designed by committee" or something out of a Dilbert comic or Pentagon Wars chimera.
JAlexoid 6y ago
> Thought, the Java is finally on decline on the backend. There's not much decline of Java overall, just a shift. The pie is getting bigger.

vvram 6y ago

This 100% it's not a problem with talent alone or their approach to their problems presented to them. It's what they are engaged on and that's controlled by the consumers of these services.