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That was my point. This study tells us nothing. The problem is not with people or the doctors, it is with these idiotic studies. From the study: "People who sh
by podgaj 6y ago
That was my point. This study tells us nothing. The problem is not with people or the doctors, it is with these idiotic studies.
From the study:
"People who showed more goal persistence and optimism during the first assessment in the mid-1990s had greater reductions in depression, anxiety and panic disorders across the 18 years, according to the authors.
And throughout those years, people who began with fewer mental health problems showed more increased perseverance toward life goals and were better at focusing on the positive side of unfortunate events, said Zainal."
and they conclude with your inverted causation:
"Our findings suggest that people can improve their mental health by raising or maintaining high levels of tenacity, resilience and optimism,” she said. “Aspiring toward personal and career goals can make people feel like their lives have meaning. On the other hand, disengaging from striving toward those aims or having a cynical attitude can have high mental health costs.”
So people who are not depressed do not easily get depressed. Really? That is the ground breaking work? Re read that part, again and again, and tell me where my logic is wrong. They are saying correlation is causal.
- saas_sam 6y agoWhat do you think is more reasonable, that your emotional commitments to this subject are distorting your read of the article, or that the American Psychological Association knows less than you do?
- R0b0t1 6y agoGiven our recent experience with doctors killing people by putting them on ventilators when they could have put them on O2 I think blind faith in the APA is a bad idea, though I do generally see psychiatry and psychology as more professional than other fields of medicine.
- anbende 6y agoRight, but this was a study conducted by the American Psychological Association, an organization that has literally nothing to do with the medical practices you spoke about.
- R0b0t1 6y agoThe psychiatric equivalent is overprescribing antipsychotics because it makes people easier to manage. The general medical example was meant to be an impactful current example (though overprescription of antipsychotics is still happening).
- podgaj 6y agoAppeal to authority much? I just told you they were wrong about me during my 30 years of treatment. They thought I had a mood disorder but I had a metabolic disorder. so in this case, yes, they knew less than I did.
- cpncrunch 6y agoYour condition only affects 1 in 500,000 to 1 in 1 million newborns, whereas major depression has a 20% lifetime prevalence in the USA. For anxiety disorders, the rate is 30%.
- podgaj 6y agoWhy do you think you know so much about something you have just heard about? I have PARTIAL GCH1 deficiency. This affects a lot more people since it is not detected at birth. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679294/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679294/ And I am in no way blaming all mood disorders on this gene change.
- cpncrunch 6y agoWhy do you have to be so rude? You didn't mention anything about PARTIAL GCH1 deficiency, and the ref you give is a from a single patient. The condition discussed in the article (DRD) affects one in a million people according to the NIH.
- podgaj 6y agoYou know why I am rude? Because I am tired of people like you on the internet who think they know everything. Why do you have to be so sociopathically calm? MY FCKING DOCTORS DIAGNOSED ME WITH THIS. Why the hell are you bringing up this one in a million sht? How many people are there like me who would never know that have it unless they got lucky with a doctor who cared enough? Do you think they are testing everyone one who has a mood disorder for this?
- santoshalper 6y agoYour emotion is clouding your ability to be reasonable about this. Saying that certain behavior can have treatment value does not imply that not doing that behavior was the cause. If they said a heating pad could help me fix my muscle strain, does that mean they are saying that I caused a muscle strain by not using a heating pad? That's absurd of course. They are saying that focusing on achievement of life goals (as opposed to focusing on "fixing" yourself) can have therapeutic value.
- podgaj 6y agoWhy are you talking about my emotion? Because I said I have a mood disorder? >If they said a heating pad could help me fix my muscle strain, does that mean they are saying that I caused a muscle strain by not using a heating pad? That's absurd of course. If you look at the rest of this thread that is how everyone is interpreting it. read them and talk to them. I am not doing that, doctors do it.
- adamredwoods 6y agoAnother potential issue is how ordinary people could interpret this article, incorrectly thinking that any depression can be fixed by pursuing goals.