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> Going forward, the largest, independent news outlet accessible to Hungarians will like be the Guardian and the New York Times. Not true, they will likely sta

> Going forward, the largest, independent news outlet accessible to Hungarians will like be the Guardian and the New York Times. Not true, they will likely start an other site and ask for donations, so it's up to the people to support them. In Hungary like elsewhere people don't like to pay for news sites and in Hungary the government works hard, so that every freely available media pushes the government propaganda. People have to realize they must pay if they want independent news sites to exist. Relying only on ad revenue is not a solid foundation.

jungturk 6y ago
>People have to realize This is how I see it as well. We, collectively, are confronted with the reality that clean information is required for a healthy civic function. Maybe like the Broad Street Pump cholera outbreak rectified unsanitary civic water management?
- Aerroon 6y ago
  >We, collectively, are confronted with the reality that clean information is required for a healthy civic function. I feel the opposite. We must learn to filter that news for ourselves, because you never know when the news is lying to you.
  - melodiousfunk 6y ago
    Yes, in the meantime that you and I and the rest of our politically and technologically savvy demographic are exercising our darwinian news filtering improvement capacity, millions of less globally aware, less up-to-date and less capable, given other more present temporal, logistical and emotional burdens, are still going to vote with whatever news filtering skills they have at the moment
    - Aerroon 6y ago
      I agree that the problem is that filtering out the truth is hard, but creating an arbiter of truth also has many other problems. Whoever gets control over the arbiter can shape the truth top their liking. Right now what we view as the truth as a society is shaped by the sum of everyone speaking out, but if you think you know better then you can simply override it. Others might disagree, but you're still encouraged to think for yourself rather than rely on someone else.
pmlnr 6y ago
Index asked for support, they got support: https://tamogatas.index.hu/ https://tamogatas.index.hu/ Didn't matter.
- dmortin 6y ago
  They got support, but the editors didn't own the site, so the main editor could be dismissed by some representative of the owner. It's a different situation if the editors are owners of the site and the donations go directly to them, instead of to some rich guy who bought the site from some other rich guy.

jungturk 6y ago

>People have to realize This is how I see it as well. We, collectively, are confronted with the reality that clean information is required for a healthy civic function. Maybe like the Broad Street Pump cholera outbreak rectified unsanitary civic water management?

Aerroon 6y ago
>We, collectively, are confronted with the reality that clean information is required for a healthy civic function. I feel the opposite. We must learn to filter that news for ourselves, because you never know when the news is lying to you.
- melodiousfunk 6y ago
  Yes, in the meantime that you and I and the rest of our politically and technologically savvy demographic are exercising our darwinian news filtering improvement capacity, millions of less globally aware, less up-to-date and less capable, given other more present temporal, logistical and emotional burdens, are still going to vote with whatever news filtering skills they have at the moment
  - Aerroon 6y ago
    I agree that the problem is that filtering out the truth is hard, but creating an arbiter of truth also has many other problems. Whoever gets control over the arbiter can shape the truth top their liking. Right now what we view as the truth as a society is shaped by the sum of everyone speaking out, but if you think you know better then you can simply override it. Others might disagree, but you're still encouraged to think for yourself rather than rely on someone else.

pmlnr 6y ago

Index asked for support, they got support: https://tamogatas.index.hu/ https://tamogatas.index.hu/ Didn't matter.

dmortin 6y ago
They got support, but the editors didn't own the site, so the main editor could be dismissed by some representative of the owner. It's a different situation if the editors are owners of the site and the donations go directly to them, instead of to some rich guy who bought the site from some other rich guy.