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> Probably forever because the whole leadership of the EU is incredibly weak and divided. I don't think, that is a fair description. Many critical decisions by

by yokaze 6y ago

> Probably forever because the whole leadership of the EU is incredibly weak and divided. I don't think, that is a fair description. Many critical decisions by design require unanimous consent (in the European Commission). So you need their vote on things, unless you suspend their voting rights. That in turn requires unanimous consent (excluding the accused) But it is clear, that other members of the Visegrád Group will block that. Also, not sure how a strong leadership in the EU could (or should) change the effects in a state. Personally, I think, they should have made the Brexit much smoother, so that other countries cannot make the EU the scapegoat.

rsynnott 6y ago
> Personally, I think, they should have made the Brexit much smoother _How_, though? It's hard to see how much more accommodating the EU could have been without fundamentally compromising itself.
- rbanffy 6y ago
  Adding a bit to that, the EU made clear what its terms, dictated by internal rules and treaties (for instance, the Good Friday Agreement forbidding border controls within Ireland) would be and those terms haven't changed. The UK has multiple times tried to ask for terms that violated previous agreements and that was refused. The pain for the UK is entirely self-inflicted. It was clear from the start it was a foolish idea. It's clear now it was a foolish idea and it'll continue to be abundantly clear it was a mindboggingly foolish idea from the start.
  - defnotashton2 6y ago
    This is a very pro EU biased view. To assert the EU governing body is not playing politics in brexit is absurdly applying a historical vacuum, ignoring the history of how tensions have grown and based on a modern narrative posthumously. The EU decided to force the currency issue with their largest economic contributor, and imo chose to die on that hill. The EU has threatened to hold Britain 'accountant able' by being intentionally obtuse and treating to impose artificial barriers for new agreements. The britts do the same thing, it's politics.
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      > decided to force the currency issue with their largest economic contributor Wait, what? The UK has a perpetual opt-out for the euro, and the euro was not a significant issue in the Brexit vote.
- wyoh 6y ago
  EU was not accomodating at all, they looked to punish the British to discourage othersfrom doing the same.
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    What specific accommodations would you expect, which would not break the EU?

by yokaze 6y ago

rsynnott 6y ago

> Personally, I think, they should have made the Brexit much smoother _How_, though? It's hard to see how much more accommodating the EU could have been without fundamentally compromising itself.

rbanffy 6y ago
Adding a bit to that, the EU made clear what its terms, dictated by internal rules and treaties (for instance, the Good Friday Agreement forbidding border controls within Ireland) would be and those terms haven't changed. The UK has multiple times tried to ask for terms that violated previous agreements and that was refused. The pain for the UK is entirely self-inflicted. It was clear from the start it was a foolish idea. It's clear now it was a foolish idea and it'll continue to be abundantly clear it was a mindboggingly foolish idea from the start.
- defnotashton2 6y ago
  This is a very pro EU biased view. To assert the EU governing body is not playing politics in brexit is absurdly applying a historical vacuum, ignoring the history of how tensions have grown and based on a modern narrative posthumously. The EU decided to force the currency issue with their largest economic contributor, and imo chose to die on that hill. The EU has threatened to hold Britain 'accountant able' by being intentionally obtuse and treating to impose artificial barriers for new agreements. The britts do the same thing, it's politics.
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    > decided to force the currency issue with their largest economic contributor Wait, what? The UK has a perpetual opt-out for the euro, and the euro was not a significant issue in the Brexit vote.
wyoh 6y ago
EU was not accomodating at all, they looked to punish the British to discourage othersfrom doing the same.
- rsynnott 6y ago
  What specific accommodations would you expect, which would not break the EU?