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Meanwhile: after the EU budget talk all representatives of the dictatorship boasted that they could avoid the provision which ties the budget to rule of law. B

by magwas 6y ago

Meanwhile: after the EU budget talk all representatives of the dictatorship boasted that they could avoid the provision which ties the budget to rule of law. Basically they were proud that they won't have to be lawful. And the EU just let them.

phtrivier 6y ago
There is another interpretation floating around: the deal language is reported to be very vague, and apparently, the only thing agreed is that the EU will soon decide on the case against Poland (which would act as "prior" for the Hungarian case, in general.) Clearly, Poland and Hungary have bought some time during the negotiations. But once the budget and recovery plan are formally approved, I would not be surprised if there were... suprises on this front. Still. The EU has no armed forced or obvious legal levy to condemn a democratically elected government of a sovereign state to... respect democracy. I suspect it's not going to last forever, but that's the sad state at the moment.
- magwas 6y ago
  "democratically elected"??? It is not true. They oppress opposition and lie to people. They did not need to cheat in the day of election, as they cheated before. Gerrymandering, fining parties to death, buying people in other parties, making mainstream media unreachable for opposition, changing laws to make sure no one can outvote them, and this could be continued through pages. They have stolen a huge part of the previous EU budget, in plainly criminal ways. Why did the EU gave them more money with a licence to steal?
  - phtrivier 6y ago
    I was refering to their initial elections: I don't remember that Duda's first election at the time caused any trouble (it was a defeat of the the incumbent) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/duda-wins-polands-presidential-election-150525164751445.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/duda-wins-polands-pre... Also Orban's initial election was a surprise, but not undemocratic for what I know (I remember there was a number of scandal about oponents before.) What happenned after the elections, of course, is a different thing...

by magwas 6y ago

phtrivier 6y ago

There is another interpretation floating around: the deal language is reported to be very vague, and apparently, the only thing agreed is that the EU will soon decide on the case against Poland (which would act as "prior" for the Hungarian case, in general.) Clearly, Poland and Hungary have bought some time during the negotiations. But once the budget and recovery plan are formally approved, I would not be surprised if there were... suprises on this front. Still. The EU has no armed forced or obvious legal levy to condemn a democratically elected government of a sovereign state to... respect democracy. I suspect it's not going to last forever, but that's the sad state at the moment.

magwas 6y ago
"democratically elected"??? It is not true. They oppress opposition and lie to people. They did not need to cheat in the day of election, as they cheated before. Gerrymandering, fining parties to death, buying people in other parties, making mainstream media unreachable for opposition, changing laws to make sure no one can outvote them, and this could be continued through pages. They have stolen a huge part of the previous EU budget, in plainly criminal ways. Why did the EU gave them more money with a licence to steal?
- phtrivier 6y ago
  I was refering to their initial elections: I don't remember that Duda's first election at the time caused any trouble (it was a defeat of the the incumbent) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/duda-wins-polands-presidential-election-150525164751445.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/duda-wins-polands-pre... Also Orban's initial election was a surprise, but not undemocratic for what I know (I remember there was a number of scandal about oponents before.) What happenned after the elections, of course, is a different thing...