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> People are not being abducted off the street by the US government never to be seen again Uh, you sure about that? The only part that's not provably false is
by throwanem 6y ago
> People are not being abducted off the street by the US government never to be seen again
Uh, you sure about that? The only part that's not provably false is the last five words, and how would you expect to know for sure on those?
- tux1968 6y agoWell I can't prove a negative, but i'm reasonably sure given history and the lack of any evidence otherwise. Do you have a link for any evidence I should know about?
- falcolas 6y agoGuantanamo Bay. “Terrorists” are sent there and lose all constitutional rights while they’re there.
- tux1968 6y agoIf you're claiming that people from Portland are being sent to Guantanamo Bay, you're going to have to offer some evidence.
- falcolas 6y agoThe parent I was responding to claims there's no evidence that the US has ever "disappeared" people with no rights. My point is simply a counter to that.
- tux1968 6y agoNo. The claim was that there is zero evidence that has happened to anyone in Portland. We're talking about how to characterize the arrests made in Portland, not US foreign policy.
- throwanem 6y agoDo you have evidence that everyone so far abducted in Portland has been set free, and further such kidnappings curtailed? Or are you instead arguing that the behavior of the US federal government in this circumstance merits a presumption of innocence?
- tux1968 6y agoI'm saying i'm not going to get outraged by simply imagined transgressions, there's going to have to be some evidence. The irony is, i'm not a hard line law and order type. I believe there should be some resistance to the prevailing authoritarian mood. But I refuse to embrace hyperbolic rhetoric, it isn't helpful, call a spade a spade.
- throwanem 6y agoSo, the second one, then.
- tux1968 6y agoAre you saying you're not a racist? Do you have any evidence to prove you're not secretly penning racist content across the web under a pseudonym? Prove that you're innocent. Or should people wait to judge you until there is some actual evidence? So, the second one then.
- throwanem 6y agoYes, of course. The videos and accounts of illegal arrests and detentions out of Portland are all fake, of course. Or, at the very least, they don't show what they purport to show. Do you hear yourself? At all?
- tux1968 6y agoDo you hear yourself? At All? There is evidence of government officials arresting people-- that is not in dispute. All that is in dispute is if it should be characterized as kidnapping or something akin to what is going on in HK with mass detention centers and reeducation camps. I've lost track of what you're even objecting to at this point, but I for one never denied that there are arrests going on in Portland. If you want to claim they're illegal by all means talk to a lawyer, just see if you can manage to avoid pretending they're kidnappings in the meantime.
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