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As a male Asian American I have been attacked by the system from both a discrimination standpoint, a biased standpoint and a class elitism standpoint. Where I

As a male Asian American I have been attacked by the system from both a discrimination standpoint, a biased standpoint and a class elitism standpoint. Where I stand right now even my own race, asian females prefer to date white males over their own race. If you don't believe me watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ8LzkIfmxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ8LzkIfmxw. That's just one aspect of the extent of racism we suffer from. It's so bad that females of our own race are disgusted with males of the same race. I've seen a lot of racism, I've had to battle a lot of the challenges of simply being an asian in a white dominated country, my parents had an even harder time with the language barrier when they first jumped off the boat with literally a dollar in their pocket. Despite all of this, from my own personal experience I will say this: The lack of diversity in tech is mostly a pipeline problem. Certain races or cultures or sexes simply don't want to go into tech or aren't willing to put in the effort. You don't even need to go to college anymore to get in, the financial barriers of entry for tech are extremely low. That is not to say racism is not a problem in tech, but it is by far a pipeline problem by a huge margin. As a member of a minority who has experienced a lot of racism, I will say that for tech specifically, the racism/sexism problem is overblown. If you don't trust my anecdotal experience then google which race has the highest average income in the United States: Asians.

DSingularity 6y ago
It can be difficult to “put in the effort” when most of your energy is spent to survive. Not everyone enjoys the luxury of being able to focus on school and extra curriculars from 14-22.
- s5300 6y ago
  Hmm... maybe my view is skewed coming from extreme poverty, but shouldn't >Not everyone enjoys the luxury of being able to focus on school and extra curriculars from 14-22. Be "Most people don't get to enjoy the luxury of being able to focus on school and extra curriculars from 14-22." ?
  - FeepingCreature 6y ago
    "enjoys" can mean "gets to".
    - s5300 6y ago
      Meaning of the comment was that "most people" entails a higher percentage than "not everybody" (IMO, atleast) though I can see how you interpreted it the way you did. I didn't word it very well, nor did I this. Perks of pandemic sleep schedule.
KMag 6y ago
I haven't walked a single step in your shoes, and I don't know what racism you yourself have experienced. However, having been in predominantly Chinese and Korean social circles, I have had more than a few conversations on the subject and have observed quite a bit of racism towards Asian-Americans. The racism I've seen against Asians from whites is primarily mistrust, not fear. A racist hiring manager is likely to look at you and think you'll do good work for the company, but they'll have to keep an eye on you. I think it's rare that racist idiots look at your skin and think you're dumb, lazy, and violent. I think the racism against black people in the U.S. is different both in kind and degree vs. the racism against persons of East Asian or South Asian decent. As far as dating, as a white guy over 6 feet tall, I've run into a lot more Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating guys over 6 feet rather than Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating white guys. Maybe that's a common convenient lie because it's more politically acceptable. However, at least 2 of them later married 6-foot tall Chinese guys, and I think the majority were being honest about their preferences.
- KMag 6y ago
  On a side note, my wife was asking me about bullying in the US, and then stopped and said "oh, but you would have been the smartest one in the class, so the bullies would have left you alone". Bless her heart, she figured American bullies worked like bullies in Asia. If you're smart, went to a top school, and have a good job, most Asian cultures will tolerate a lot of nerdiness out of you.
- leafboi 6y ago
  >The racism I've seen against Asians from whites is primarily mistrust, not fear. A racist hiring manager is likely to look at you and think you'll do good work for the company, but they'll have to keep an eye on you. I think it's rare that racist idiots look at your skin and think you're dumb, lazy, and violent. I agree this exists but I think most white people in general are just really afraid of being called racist and would never consciously do something racist. Overall, I think the racism that is most prevalent in Tech is subconscious. White people have a bias towards white people that they aren't aware about... that's all. Most white people keep friends that are also by majority white and likely they did not choose that outcome deliberately. So yeah, a "racist" hiring manager might keep an eye on an Asian, but they will likely not be aware they're doing it based on race. Again, not saying this is 100% the case and there are definitely people who consciously discriminate, but I believe that for the majority of white people, it is subconscious. I don't know your opinion on that, as a white person I'm sure you may have a better perspective. >However, having been in predominantly Chinese and Korean social circles, I have had more than a few conversations on the subject and have observed quite a bit of racism towards Asian-Americans. Racism is prevalent for sure, but again, I was just emphasizing a very specific thing: the lack of diversity in tech. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist. But for diversity in tech I believe it's mostly similar to the pipeline problem for ballerinas. There is an extreme lack of males trying to become ballerinas... I think we can both agree that the disparity exists not due to extreme sexism by females trying to put a complete stop on all males from entering the industry. >I think the racism against black people in the U.S. is different both in kind and degree vs. the racism against persons of East Asian or South Asian decent. It is different, no question. However I would say that the a great portion of the differences in treatment actually stem from a generalized reputation that is an exaggeration of very real statistical difference between races. You may look at a random Asian stranger and a random African American stranger and predict the Asian stranger is more affluent. This assumption isn't just a baseless stereotype... it stems from an actual statistical reality. Asians are statistically more affluent than African Americans. Is it racist to make predictions about individual people based off of probabilities? We use probability to predict all kinds of outcomes for all kinds of things... but it becomes immoral when we use it on race? I have no answer for what's the right way to deal with this moral conflict, but I feel it is important to pose the question nonetheless. >As far as dating, as a white guy over 6 feet tall, I've run into a lot more Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating guys over 6 feet rather than Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating white guys. Maybe that's a common convenient lie because it's more politically acceptable. However, at least 2 of them later married 6-foot tall Chinese guys, and I think the majority were being honest about their preferences. There's a very real race thing going on here. Just watch that video I posted, those women are clearly talking about race, not height. There's other videos as well...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52dQSX-DCN0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52dQSX-DCN0 While most women do have a huge bias for height and white males tend to be taller than asian males I do believe there is a separate phenomenon going on here in terms of race.
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
You need to stop referring to women as "females".
- mxaKla 6y ago
  No one needs to adjust his speech at all. Where does that idea come from? 20th century style oppressive socialism?
  - Wurlitzer 6y ago
    What is oppressive socialism?
    - atroche 6y ago
      I'm guessing they mean USSR- or CCP-style totalitarianism.
      - Wurlitzer 6y ago
        Ah, don't know why I didn't think of that.
- nicoburns 6y ago
  I used to think that "female" was just a slightly offensive synonym for "woman", but in a world where transgender people exist, it seems useful to be able to distinguish between "male/female" (someone's biological makeup)", and "man/woman" (someone's gender identity). And in the context of dating and sexuality, it might well be the biological differences that are relevant.
  - pseudalopex 6y ago
    The video talks about women. Few people care about sex but not gender.[1][2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attraction_to_transgender_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attraction_to_transgender_peop... [2] https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating
rydre 6y ago
You sound like a white troll. Asians have the highest average incomes because they work the most. White men get more money for the same effort. It's just that Asian men are expected to just work and not socialize much or have a life, otherwise they will end up like the blacks. Basically be obedient to white master and he'll pay you some pennies. Look at how TikTok and Zoom has been vilified by this country (both founded by Asians). When the rest of the world blocks the services of the U.S., rich, white men with their crocodile tears cry that it's an abuse of "human rights". When the same rich, asshole, white, men do it to others in the name of "national security", its all fair play.
- tasogare 6y ago
  No he’s right on the Asian women dating more White than Asian. It’s pretty well documented in the Asian American community. That being said, a lot of that is probably due to attitude of the guys. I live in Japan and even here I hear things like "it’s easy for you to get a girlfriend because your are white". This is dumb for a lot a reasons, including the fact the sheer majority of Japanese girl wants to have local boyfriend, not a foreigner they can’t even communicate properly with. Now, when I ask them about the last time they did nanpa (street pickup), or set a date with a girl they like or any action whatsoever towards the opposite sex the answer is zilch. I asked my own girlfriend when she was once teasing me about the important number of guys who would like to have a relationship with her why did she chose me over the others... answer was something akin to "oh, I know they like me, but noone told it nor invited me to a date". I suspect a lot of angry Asian guys who are alone are also in the low side of taking action.
  - rydre 6y ago
    > Now, when I ask them about the last time they did nanpa (street pickup), or set a date with a girl they like or any action whatsoever towards the opposite sex the answer is zilch. When you get rejected over and over again, you'll know. Personally I have a happy life, no problems. But I suspect there are many men who are not as fortunate and no one stands up for them. Their own fellow men have betrayed them men. The solidarity for access to good path to making good money, healthcare, love, reproduction should be a goal of humans (men and women alike). Unfortunately there are many traitors across every race that have a "fuck you, I got mine" attitude to this that slow down progress.

DSingularity 6y ago

It can be difficult to “put in the effort” when most of your energy is spent to survive. Not everyone enjoys the luxury of being able to focus on school and extra curriculars from 14-22.

s5300 6y ago
Hmm... maybe my view is skewed coming from extreme poverty, but shouldn't >Not everyone enjoys the luxury of being able to focus on school and extra curriculars from 14-22. Be "Most people don't get to enjoy the luxury of being able to focus on school and extra curriculars from 14-22." ?
- FeepingCreature 6y ago
  "enjoys" can mean "gets to".
  - s5300 6y ago
    Meaning of the comment was that "most people" entails a higher percentage than "not everybody" (IMO, atleast) though I can see how you interpreted it the way you did. I didn't word it very well, nor did I this. Perks of pandemic sleep schedule.

KMag 6y ago

I haven't walked a single step in your shoes, and I don't know what racism you yourself have experienced. However, having been in predominantly Chinese and Korean social circles, I have had more than a few conversations on the subject and have observed quite a bit of racism towards Asian-Americans. The racism I've seen against Asians from whites is primarily mistrust, not fear. A racist hiring manager is likely to look at you and think you'll do good work for the company, but they'll have to keep an eye on you. I think it's rare that racist idiots look at your skin and think you're dumb, lazy, and violent. I think the racism against black people in the U.S. is different both in kind and degree vs. the racism against persons of East Asian or South Asian decent. As far as dating, as a white guy over 6 feet tall, I've run into a lot more Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating guys over 6 feet rather than Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating white guys. Maybe that's a common convenient lie because it's more politically acceptable. However, at least 2 of them later married 6-foot tall Chinese guys, and I think the majority were being honest about their preferences.

KMag 6y ago
On a side note, my wife was asking me about bullying in the US, and then stopped and said "oh, but you would have been the smartest one in the class, so the bullies would have left you alone". Bless her heart, she figured American bullies worked like bullies in Asia. If you're smart, went to a top school, and have a good job, most Asian cultures will tolerate a lot of nerdiness out of you.
leafboi 6y ago
>The racism I've seen against Asians from whites is primarily mistrust, not fear. A racist hiring manager is likely to look at you and think you'll do good work for the company, but they'll have to keep an eye on you. I think it's rare that racist idiots look at your skin and think you're dumb, lazy, and violent. I agree this exists but I think most white people in general are just really afraid of being called racist and would never consciously do something racist. Overall, I think the racism that is most prevalent in Tech is subconscious. White people have a bias towards white people that they aren't aware about... that's all. Most white people keep friends that are also by majority white and likely they did not choose that outcome deliberately. So yeah, a "racist" hiring manager might keep an eye on an Asian, but they will likely not be aware they're doing it based on race. Again, not saying this is 100% the case and there are definitely people who consciously discriminate, but I believe that for the majority of white people, it is subconscious. I don't know your opinion on that, as a white person I'm sure you may have a better perspective. >However, having been in predominantly Chinese and Korean social circles, I have had more than a few conversations on the subject and have observed quite a bit of racism towards Asian-Americans. Racism is prevalent for sure, but again, I was just emphasizing a very specific thing: the lack of diversity in tech. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist. But for diversity in tech I believe it's mostly similar to the pipeline problem for ballerinas. There is an extreme lack of males trying to become ballerinas... I think we can both agree that the disparity exists not due to extreme sexism by females trying to put a complete stop on all males from entering the industry. >I think the racism against black people in the U.S. is different both in kind and degree vs. the racism against persons of East Asian or South Asian decent. It is different, no question. However I would say that the a great portion of the differences in treatment actually stem from a generalized reputation that is an exaggeration of very real statistical difference between races. You may look at a random Asian stranger and a random African American stranger and predict the Asian stranger is more affluent. This assumption isn't just a baseless stereotype... it stems from an actual statistical reality. Asians are statistically more affluent than African Americans. Is it racist to make predictions about individual people based off of probabilities? We use probability to predict all kinds of outcomes for all kinds of things... but it becomes immoral when we use it on race? I have no answer for what's the right way to deal with this moral conflict, but I feel it is important to pose the question nonetheless. >As far as dating, as a white guy over 6 feet tall, I've run into a lot more Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating guys over 6 feet rather than Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating white guys. Maybe that's a common convenient lie because it's more politically acceptable. However, at least 2 of them later married 6-foot tall Chinese guys, and I think the majority were being honest about their preferences. There's a very real race thing going on here. Just watch that video I posted, those women are clearly talking about race, not height. There's other videos as well...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52dQSX-DCN0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52dQSX-DCN0 While most women do have a huge bias for height and white males tend to be taller than asian males I do believe there is a separate phenomenon going on here in terms of race.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

You need to stop referring to women as "females".

mxaKla 6y ago
No one needs to adjust his speech at all. Where does that idea come from? 20th century style oppressive socialism?
- Wurlitzer 6y ago
  What is oppressive socialism?
  - atroche 6y ago
    I'm guessing they mean USSR- or CCP-style totalitarianism.
    - Wurlitzer 6y ago
      Ah, don't know why I didn't think of that.
nicoburns 6y ago
I used to think that "female" was just a slightly offensive synonym for "woman", but in a world where transgender people exist, it seems useful to be able to distinguish between "male/female" (someone's biological makeup)", and "man/woman" (someone's gender identity). And in the context of dating and sexuality, it might well be the biological differences that are relevant.
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  The video talks about women. Few people care about sex but not gender.[1][2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attraction_to_transgender_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attraction_to_transgender_peop... [2] https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating

rydre 6y ago

You sound like a white troll. Asians have the highest average incomes because they work the most. White men get more money for the same effort. It's just that Asian men are expected to just work and not socialize much or have a life, otherwise they will end up like the blacks. Basically be obedient to white master and he'll pay you some pennies. Look at how TikTok and Zoom has been vilified by this country (both founded by Asians). When the rest of the world blocks the services of the U.S., rich, white men with their crocodile tears cry that it's an abuse of "human rights". When the same rich, asshole, white, men do it to others in the name of "national security", its all fair play.

tasogare 6y ago
No he’s right on the Asian women dating more White than Asian. It’s pretty well documented in the Asian American community. That being said, a lot of that is probably due to attitude of the guys. I live in Japan and even here I hear things like "it’s easy for you to get a girlfriend because your are white". This is dumb for a lot a reasons, including the fact the sheer majority of Japanese girl wants to have local boyfriend, not a foreigner they can’t even communicate properly with. Now, when I ask them about the last time they did nanpa (street pickup), or set a date with a girl they like or any action whatsoever towards the opposite sex the answer is zilch. I asked my own girlfriend when she was once teasing me about the important number of guys who would like to have a relationship with her why did she chose me over the others... answer was something akin to "oh, I know they like me, but noone told it nor invited me to a date". I suspect a lot of angry Asian guys who are alone are also in the low side of taking action.
- rydre 6y ago
  > Now, when I ask them about the last time they did nanpa (street pickup), or set a date with a girl they like or any action whatsoever towards the opposite sex the answer is zilch. When you get rejected over and over again, you'll know. Personally I have a happy life, no problems. But I suspect there are many men who are not as fortunate and no one stands up for them. Their own fellow men have betrayed them men. The solidarity for access to good path to making good money, healthcare, love, reproduction should be a goal of humans (men and women alike). Unfortunately there are many traitors across every race that have a "fuck you, I got mine" attitude to this that slow down progress.