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The orthodox-progressive split was Hunter's original thesis 1991 and last part of this essay suggests that digital media has fragmented the sides and this two-s

The orthodox-progressive split was Hunter's original thesis 1991 and last part of this essay suggests that digital media has fragmented the sides and this two-side model may no longer be sufficient. 1. There's a split within the atheist progressives between trust in scientific rationality and trust in individual subjective experiences. 2. The loss of national identity as previously shared histories and values are challenged and how this leads to some trying to ground national identity in ethnicity while others try to abandon patriotism instead. 3. A new split emerging between those committed to economic growth and consumption above all and those that believe that economics should be tempered by some kind of morality.

blargmaster33 6y ago
>tempered by some kind of morality. Communism is evil eye incarnate and that's what they are pushing!! No it's the age old struggle between slavery and horrible horrible FREEDOM!
jojobas 6y ago
Simplifying, it boils down to "it's good as it is" vs "it's awful and unsalvageable".
- jmeister 6y ago
  No
dragonwriter 6y ago
> The loss of national identity as previously shared histories and values are challenged and how this leads to some trying to ground national identity in ethnicity while others try to abandon patriotism instead. This point is kind of patently ridiculous as a supposed change since the 1991, since the “orthodox” side of the American culture wars had a large faction seeking to ground national identity in ethnicity against the (relatively, but equally clearly only relatively) secularist/technocratic progressives since time immemorial. > A new split emerging between those committed to economic growth and consumption above all and those that believe that economics should be tempered by some kind of morality. This is even more patently ridiculous as a new development since 1991, which was near the height of the neoliberal consensus when both major political factions in the US were dominated by technocratic neoliberal capitalist factions, and both had—quite different—large-but-less dominant factions differentiated by the belief that a vision of justice (very different on each side) should temper or even trump economic concerns.

blargmaster33 6y ago

>tempered by some kind of morality. Communism is evil eye incarnate and that's what they are pushing!! No it's the age old struggle between slavery and horrible horrible FREEDOM!

jojobas 6y ago

Simplifying, it boils down to "it's good as it is" vs "it's awful and unsalvageable".

jmeister 6y ago
No

dragonwriter 6y ago

> The loss of national identity as previously shared histories and values are challenged and how this leads to some trying to ground national identity in ethnicity while others try to abandon patriotism instead. This point is kind of patently ridiculous as a supposed change since the 1991, since the “orthodox” side of the American culture wars had a large faction seeking to ground national identity in ethnicity against the (relatively, but equally clearly only relatively) secularist/technocratic progressives since time immemorial. > A new split emerging between those committed to economic growth and consumption above all and those that believe that economics should be tempered by some kind of morality. This is even more patently ridiculous as a new development since 1991, which was near the height of the neoliberal consensus when both major political factions in the US were dominated by technocratic neoliberal capitalist factions, and both had—quite different—large-but-less dominant factions differentiated by the belief that a vision of justice (very different on each side) should temper or even trump economic concerns.