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Going "someplace exotic" may be great for some people, but if you have responsibilities such as being the caregiver for an aging parent, being forced to be away

Going "someplace exotic" may be great for some people, but if you have responsibilities such as being the caregiver for an aging parent, being forced to be away from home for a couple of days or weeks can be a big problem.

triceratops 6y ago
True. OTOH, and not to invalidate anyone's experiences, but people shouldering such responsibilities typically have help already (either paid or other family). Otherwise they couldn't do their current job. They also, presumably, have plans/protocols for when they need to take a vacation or break. Unless they were otherwise spending all their free time on caregiving, which isn't sustainable or healthy. They could potentially use those same measures when it's offsite time and even be given some makeup time off later. They could also get an exception and attend the working sessions remotely. But there's a chance that could lead to fewer opportunities for advancement for them, because they weren't there. Which sucks. It's not an ideal situation. BTW, lots of enterprise sales companies already do annual "sales kickoff" events where they fly all their salespeople globally to a single place. It's not unprecedented.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  > Unless they were otherwise spending all their free time on caregiving You're not far off the description of parents of young and early school-age children. Kids are in school/daycare for part of the day, then at home, needing dinner, care, etc.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    That's different from caring for elderly family members. Parents with young families (maybe not those with newborns) can and do take vacations and travel. They also often have paid help even in their non-work hours e.g. babysitters or nannies.
- stormbeard 6y ago
  This is resolved by going somewhere within an hour of the office location. It’s a good idea, but not everyone wants to be forced into traveling for work.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    If everyone's 100% remote, there's no "office location". The best compromise is to find a location that minimizes travel for everyone. That might mean the city nearest the centroid.
- greenyoda 6y ago
  > lots of enterprise sales companies already do annual "sales kickoff" events Salespeople know, when they take their job, that they'll be expected to travel for work. Developers may not expect that to be a requirement of their job.

triceratops 6y ago

True. OTOH, and not to invalidate anyone's experiences, but people shouldering such responsibilities typically have help already (either paid or other family). Otherwise they couldn't do their current job. They also, presumably, have plans/protocols for when they need to take a vacation or break. Unless they were otherwise spending all their free time on caregiving, which isn't sustainable or healthy. They could potentially use those same measures when it's offsite time and even be given some makeup time off later. They could also get an exception and attend the working sessions remotely. But there's a chance that could lead to fewer opportunities for advancement for them, because they weren't there. Which sucks. It's not an ideal situation. BTW, lots of enterprise sales companies already do annual "sales kickoff" events where they fly all their salespeople globally to a single place. It's not unprecedented.

sokoloff 6y ago
> Unless they were otherwise spending all their free time on caregiving You're not far off the description of parents of young and early school-age children. Kids are in school/daycare for part of the day, then at home, needing dinner, care, etc.
- triceratops 6y ago
  That's different from caring for elderly family members. Parents with young families (maybe not those with newborns) can and do take vacations and travel. They also often have paid help even in their non-work hours e.g. babysitters or nannies.
stormbeard 6y ago
This is resolved by going somewhere within an hour of the office location. It’s a good idea, but not everyone wants to be forced into traveling for work.
- triceratops 6y ago
  If everyone's 100% remote, there's no "office location". The best compromise is to find a location that minimizes travel for everyone. That might mean the city nearest the centroid.
greenyoda 6y ago
> lots of enterprise sales companies already do annual "sales kickoff" events Salespeople know, when they take their job, that they'll be expected to travel for work. Developers may not expect that to be a requirement of their job.