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Free until they dominate the entire market

by BiteCode_dev 6y ago

antonzabirko 6y ago
I'm just glad there's someone to temper Amazon from world dominance... For now.
- AlexandrB 6y ago
  Unfortunately it's like Alien vs Predator. Whoever wins, we lose.
- nurettin 6y ago
  It is a good move, until amazon starts taking blatant measures like banning traders with google shopping fronts.
- BiteCode_dev 6y ago
  At first, me too. But amazon doesn't have a search monopoly, millions of android devices, google maps, or youtube to drive the sales. Neither do they have the huge amount of data google already have on people. Now there is a possibility that google fails because sales require a lot of IRL stuff they suck at. So maybe it will be a balanced game. But if they win, it's going to be a nightmare. Unrelated, but I'm also quite worried about Apple deciding to become a bank one day.
  - MisterTea 6y ago
    > But amazon doesn't have a search monopoly, millions of android devices, google maps, or youtube to drive the sales. Don't forget that something like ~70% of their income comes from AWS. They may not be as visible as Google on the net but they are pretty much the largest provider of web services.
    - BiteCode_dev 6y ago
      Sure but they make this money in B2B, not using customers data.
egypturnash 6y ago
Or until they get bored with updating it and EOL it.
Someone1234 6y ago
Or wipe out the low commission fee competition in the payment processor space. If the US had better anti-competitive enforcement I feel like this is akin to the Internet Explorer/Netscape/Microsoft case, in them using one monopoly (search) to take over another market (same hook too: "free"). Plus you know they're going to reward sites for using this in their search rankings (or just outright place them at the top).
- skybrian 6y ago
  Look like they aren't doing payment processing. They're partnering with Paypal and Shopify. So by "commission-free" that would mean the commission on top of payment processing?
- mav3rick 6y ago
  Love how baseless allegations like "reward in search rankings" are heeded here. If I write something egregious without a source against Duck Duck Go I'd be downvoted to oblivion
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    Google is pretty strict about not artificially rewarding sites in the organic rankings. (ie. non-ads and non-infoboxes). However, despite that those sites will get an implicit reward - if users go to these sites, and find a slick easy checkout and low prices, the site will satisfy their need. Google's goal is to put sites that satisfy the users search request at the top. So, assuming this new Google service is any good, then sites that use it will end up upranked just because those sites satisfy users more than other sites.
    - xmprt 6y ago
      Intuitively I don't like the idea of Google controlling everything but based on the reason you gave it sounds like this would be a good idea right? Customers get a better experience in the end.
      - 6y ago
onlyrealcuzzo 6y ago
You really think Google -- who has floundered in this space for years -- is going to dominate a market that is already dominated by a company (Amazon) with a 50% larger market cap? Walmart and Target have been trying to chip away at Amazon's lead, and they're only getting buried deeper in the dust. Google doesn't exactly have a reputation for entering new markets and dominating them, either...
- londons_explore 6y ago
  >Google doesn't exactly have a reputation for entering new markets and dominating them, either... Mobile OS's (Android) Online Video (Youtube) Online Maps (Google Maps) Webmail (Gmail) None recently, granted.
  - frequentnapper 6y ago
    Weren't they all acquisitions?
    - londons_explore 6y ago
      Gmail wasn't.
    - splonk 6y ago
      Gmail was internal. Maps was mostly built by a couple acquisitions, but it wasn't anything like Youtube, where the acquired companies were big established players in the space.
  - patmorgan23 6y ago
    Don't for get calendar and docs
    - londons_explore 6y ago
      I feel like MS Word (offline) still has a majority marketshare for general documenting, and calendars outlook also has a big chunk of the market. Depends on where you draw the boundaries in markets certainly...
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Free until they dominate the entire market

antonzabirko 6y ago

I'm just glad there's someone to temper Amazon from world dominance... For now.

AlexandrB 6y ago
Unfortunately it's like Alien vs Predator. Whoever wins, we lose.
nurettin 6y ago
It is a good move, until amazon starts taking blatant measures like banning traders with google shopping fronts.
BiteCode_dev 6y ago
At first, me too. But amazon doesn't have a search monopoly, millions of android devices, google maps, or youtube to drive the sales. Neither do they have the huge amount of data google already have on people. Now there is a possibility that google fails because sales require a lot of IRL stuff they suck at. So maybe it will be a balanced game. But if they win, it's going to be a nightmare. Unrelated, but I'm also quite worried about Apple deciding to become a bank one day.
- MisterTea 6y ago
  > But amazon doesn't have a search monopoly, millions of android devices, google maps, or youtube to drive the sales. Don't forget that something like ~70% of their income comes from AWS. They may not be as visible as Google on the net but they are pretty much the largest provider of web services.
  - BiteCode_dev 6y ago
    Sure but they make this money in B2B, not using customers data.

egypturnash 6y ago

Or until they get bored with updating it and EOL it.

Someone1234 6y ago

Or wipe out the low commission fee competition in the payment processor space. If the US had better anti-competitive enforcement I feel like this is akin to the Internet Explorer/Netscape/Microsoft case, in them using one monopoly (search) to take over another market (same hook too: "free"). Plus you know they're going to reward sites for using this in their search rankings (or just outright place them at the top).

skybrian 6y ago
Look like they aren't doing payment processing. They're partnering with Paypal and Shopify. So by "commission-free" that would mean the commission on top of payment processing?
mav3rick 6y ago
Love how baseless allegations like "reward in search rankings" are heeded here. If I write something egregious without a source against Duck Duck Go I'd be downvoted to oblivion
- londons_explore 6y ago
  Google is pretty strict about not artificially rewarding sites in the organic rankings. (ie. non-ads and non-infoboxes). However, despite that those sites will get an implicit reward - if users go to these sites, and find a slick easy checkout and low prices, the site will satisfy their need. Google's goal is to put sites that satisfy the users search request at the top. So, assuming this new Google service is any good, then sites that use it will end up upranked just because those sites satisfy users more than other sites.
  - xmprt 6y ago
    Intuitively I don't like the idea of Google controlling everything but based on the reason you gave it sounds like this would be a good idea right? Customers get a better experience in the end.
    - 6y ago

onlyrealcuzzo 6y ago

You really think Google -- who has floundered in this space for years -- is going to dominate a market that is already dominated by a company (Amazon) with a 50% larger market cap? Walmart and Target have been trying to chip away at Amazon's lead, and they're only getting buried deeper in the dust. Google doesn't exactly have a reputation for entering new markets and dominating them, either...

londons_explore 6y ago
>Google doesn't exactly have a reputation for entering new markets and dominating them, either... Mobile OS's (Android) Online Video (Youtube) Online Maps (Google Maps) Webmail (Gmail) None recently, granted.
- frequentnapper 6y ago
  Weren't they all acquisitions?
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    Gmail wasn't.
  - splonk 6y ago
    Gmail was internal. Maps was mostly built by a couple acquisitions, but it wasn't anything like Youtube, where the acquired companies were big established players in the space.
- patmorgan23 6y ago
  Don't for get calendar and docs
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    I feel like MS Word (offline) still has a majority marketshare for general documenting, and calendars outlook also has a big chunk of the market. Depends on where you draw the boundaries in markets certainly...

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