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Allow me to point you to these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem http://e

by fjh 16y ago

Allow me to point you to these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring Not to mention that you are making an awful lot of unwarranted assumptions about the outraged people.

powertower 16y ago
You are using the above as buzzwords. Making a valid and logical declaration based on personal experiences with the society he/she lives in is not a logical fallacy. A logical fallacy is incorrect reasoning. An opinionated, consumption-oriented, and selfish society is not one that produces people that have: 1. Either fasted, or have gone hungry (even the povery line class has been able to eat - a lot of food is cheap and there is also government and community help). 2. Do not consume animal products. 3. Truly help others (or anyone but themselves).
- fjh 16y ago
  > You are using the above as buzzwords. I agree that my reply to you was not very articulate. I originally started explaining why your points were not relevant to the question whether his behaviour was morally acceptable, but then I realised that I would essentially be explaining the above fallacies, even though there are already better explanations available. I may have misread your post, but to me it looked like you were trying to invalidate people's criticism of his behaviour by making (speculative) statements about their behaviour or character. I know at least one person who is angry about this and is a strict vegetarian who has done lots of humanitarian work in Africa. Anyway, if I misread your post and that was not the point you were making, I apologise.
  - powertower 16y ago
    > I know at least one person who is angry about this and is a strict vegetarian who has done lots of humanitarian work in Africa. Agreed. There are people like this in the world. But they are few, and certainly not the majority. My issue is not with what is moral, but with how easily people blame and demonize others.
    - lwhi 16y ago
      .. and so you generalise and point your finger towards others as a response?
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      - powertower 16y ago
        observing != generalising or blaming or finger pointing I'm not sure how you are getting that from what I have posted.

by fjh 16y ago

powertower 16y ago

You are using the above as buzzwords. Making a valid and logical declaration based on personal experiences with the society he/she lives in is not a logical fallacy. A logical fallacy is incorrect reasoning. An opinionated, consumption-oriented, and selfish society is not one that produces people that have: 1. Either fasted, or have gone hungry (even the povery line class has been able to eat - a lot of food is cheap and there is also government and community help). 2. Do not consume animal products. 3. Truly help others (or anyone but themselves).

fjh 16y ago
> You are using the above as buzzwords. I agree that my reply to you was not very articulate. I originally started explaining why your points were not relevant to the question whether his behaviour was morally acceptable, but then I realised that I would essentially be explaining the above fallacies, even though there are already better explanations available. I may have misread your post, but to me it looked like you were trying to invalidate people's criticism of his behaviour by making (speculative) statements about their behaviour or character. I know at least one person who is angry about this and is a strict vegetarian who has done lots of humanitarian work in Africa. Anyway, if I misread your post and that was not the point you were making, I apologise.
- powertower 16y ago
  > I know at least one person who is angry about this and is a strict vegetarian who has done lots of humanitarian work in Africa. Agreed. There are people like this in the world. But they are few, and certainly not the majority. My issue is not with what is moral, but with how easily people blame and demonize others.
  - lwhi 16y ago
    .. and so you generalise and point your finger towards others as a response?
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    - powertower 16y ago
      observing != generalising or blaming or finger pointing I'm not sure how you are getting that from what I have posted.