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Let's see who this outrage is coming from: 1) Someone who has never gone hungry for a single day in his/her life. 2) Someone who has consumed 100s of chickens
by powertower 16y ago
Let's see who this outrage is coming from:
1) Someone who has never gone hungry for a single day in his/her life.
2) Someone who has consumed 100s of chickens, many cattle, and many other animals so far... Most of which have been literally tortured all their lives.
3) Someone who has never gone to Africa to help, but sits around all day posting his/her opinion on how things there (and everywhere else in the world) should be done.
I'll give you a secret. Want to change the world? Change yourself. It's the only way. Stop complaining. Stop finger pointing. Stop exerting yourself on others.
But yes... I do agree that it would have been best for GoDaddy to not post this.
- elliottcarlson 16y agoYou are making some broad assumptions of a large community. Some of us have indeed gone hungry for multiple days in our lives. Some of us have gone to Africa to help. "Stop finger pointing. Stop exerting yourself on others."
- powertower 16y agoMy assumptions (in the post) are across society in general, and not specific to the HN commenter pool. Though I see how it can be read that I'm commenting about the readers in this thread.
- fjh 16y agoAllow me to point you to these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring Not to mention that you are making an awful lot of unwarranted assumptions about the outraged people.
- powertower 16y agoYou are using the above as buzzwords. Making a valid and logical declaration based on personal experiences with the society he/she lives in is not a logical fallacy. A logical fallacy is incorrect reasoning. An opinionated, consumption-oriented, and selfish society is not one that produces people that have: 1. Either fasted, or have gone hungry (even the povery line class has been able to eat - a lot of food is cheap and there is also government and community help). 2. Do not consume animal products. 3. Truly help others (or anyone but themselves).
- fjh 16y ago> You are using the above as buzzwords. I agree that my reply to you was not very articulate. I originally started explaining why your points were not relevant to the question whether his behaviour was morally acceptable, but then I realised that I would essentially be explaining the above fallacies, even though there are already better explanations available. I may have misread your post, but to me it looked like you were trying to invalidate people's criticism of his behaviour by making (speculative) statements about their behaviour or character. I know at least one person who is angry about this and is a strict vegetarian who has done lots of humanitarian work in Africa. Anyway, if I misread your post and that was not the point you were making, I apologise.
- powertower 16y ago> I know at least one person who is angry about this and is a strict vegetarian who has done lots of humanitarian work in Africa. Agreed. There are people like this in the world. But they are few, and certainly not the majority. My issue is not with what is moral, but with how easily people blame and demonize others.
- lwhi 16y ago.. and so you generalise and point your finger towards others as a response?
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- powertower 16y agoobserving != generalising or blaming or finger pointing I'm not sure how you are getting that from what I have posted.
- tomelders 16y agooh screw off. He killed an elephant, an endangered animal, for fun. People should be outraged at that. So what if people "eat" meat, or haven't faced poverty or even been outside of their own town, let alone country. That doesn't mean they don't have a right to an opinion or to express it, unless of course that opinion is that other people shouldn't be allowed to have their own opinions... which is what you've basically just said.