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Not my google experience. They do say not worrying about patents, but that's because searching for patents could indeed make you liable as you were influenced b

Not my google experience. They do say not worrying about patents, but that's because searching for patents could indeed make you liable as you were influenced by prior art. Nobody at google even remotely mentioned "we will drown them in legal fees". If anything, I have a huge respect for google legal. Disclaimer: former googler.

paulgb 6y ago
Lots of anon accounts (reasonably) in this thread, so I want to back up as a non-anon former Googler that your experience matches mine. It wasn't "ignore patents", it was "don't look up patents so you aren't influenced by them".
- abfan1127 6y ago
  I worked at Medtronic and currently work at Qualcomm. Both companies had policies matching this. Don't search patents so you are not influenced by them.
  - jbay808 6y ago
    Since when did that matter in patent law? Patents are public domain, and ignorance of a patent is not a defense against having infringed. Since at least 2012, the US has had a first-to-file policy instead of first-to-invent. There's no legal reason to worry about being influenced by a patent. The only concern might be boxing your creativity where you can't think of alternative solutions to a problem once you've seen one solution. That doesn't seem like a strong enough reason for a blanket policy. IANAL but this confuses me.
    - jburgess777 6y ago
      What I was told is that if you research the patent and aware of its existence then you may be guilty of willful enfringement with treble the normal penalties: https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2016/06/supreme-court-upends-law-of-treble-damages-in-patent-cases https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2016/06/supreme-court-u... https://www.ip-watch.org/2016/07/26/us-high-court-restores-treble-damages-for-patent-infringement/ https://www.ip-watch.org/2016/07/26/us-high-court-restores-t...
      - jacques_chester 6y ago
        More precisely, a standing policy that researching patents is forbidden is prima facie evidence that your employees couldn't have possibly known about an existing patent. That means that a plaintiff suing for willful infringement will need to find evidence that someone went out of their way to ignore the policy. That might be quite difficult. (Of course: not a lawyer, this is not legal advice)
        jbay808 6y ago
        Wow, I'm amazed that this would hold up. That's like saying that if I drive with a blindfold on, I couldn't possibly have willfully caused an accident because, as a matter of policy, I couldn't have been aware of the other cars on the road.
        jacques_chester 6y ago
        A more accurate analogy is a company policy that strictly prohibits driving.
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    - abfan1127 6y ago
      you're right, its the creativity and alternative solutions.
- mcqueenjordan 6y ago
  Xoogler and current AWS and both companies have a "do not open or read patents" policy.
- altgoogler 6y ago
  Another anon Googler here (with a slightly older account). Your experience matches mine. I think it might even be somewhere in the mandatory periodic training. Doing a patent search as a software engineer can only hurt you. Better just to route any questions to product counsel.
riyadparvez 6y ago
> They do say not worrying about patents, but that's because searching for patents could indeed make you liable as you were influenced by prior art. I've heard the same thing in startups and other companies. This is not something unique to Google.
lurkervizzle 6y ago
My previous company was acquired by Google and I totally agree with assessment. Immense respect for Google's investing, corp dev and legal arms in as much as I interacted with them. They always treated us fairly and were ethical in their interactions.

paulgb 6y ago

Lots of anon accounts (reasonably) in this thread, so I want to back up as a non-anon former Googler that your experience matches mine. It wasn't "ignore patents", it was "don't look up patents so you aren't influenced by them".

abfan1127 6y ago
I worked at Medtronic and currently work at Qualcomm. Both companies had policies matching this. Don't search patents so you are not influenced by them.
- jbay808 6y ago
  Since when did that matter in patent law? Patents are public domain, and ignorance of a patent is not a defense against having infringed. Since at least 2012, the US has had a first-to-file policy instead of first-to-invent. There's no legal reason to worry about being influenced by a patent. The only concern might be boxing your creativity where you can't think of alternative solutions to a problem once you've seen one solution. That doesn't seem like a strong enough reason for a blanket policy. IANAL but this confuses me.
  - jburgess777 6y ago
    What I was told is that if you research the patent and aware of its existence then you may be guilty of willful enfringement with treble the normal penalties: https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2016/06/supreme-court-upends-law-of-treble-damages-in-patent-cases https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2016/06/supreme-court-u... https://www.ip-watch.org/2016/07/26/us-high-court-restores-treble-damages-for-patent-infringement/ https://www.ip-watch.org/2016/07/26/us-high-court-restores-t...
    - jacques_chester 6y ago
      More precisely, a standing policy that researching patents is forbidden is prima facie evidence that your employees couldn't have possibly known about an existing patent. That means that a plaintiff suing for willful infringement will need to find evidence that someone went out of their way to ignore the policy. That might be quite difficult. (Of course: not a lawyer, this is not legal advice)
      - jbay808 6y ago
        Wow, I'm amazed that this would hold up. That's like saying that if I drive with a blindfold on, I couldn't possibly have willfully caused an accident because, as a matter of policy, I couldn't have been aware of the other cars on the road.
        jacques_chester 6y ago
        A more accurate analogy is a company policy that strictly prohibits driving.
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  - abfan1127 6y ago
    you're right, its the creativity and alternative solutions.
mcqueenjordan 6y ago
Xoogler and current AWS and both companies have a "do not open or read patents" policy.
altgoogler 6y ago
Another anon Googler here (with a slightly older account). Your experience matches mine. I think it might even be somewhere in the mandatory periodic training. Doing a patent search as a software engineer can only hurt you. Better just to route any questions to product counsel.

riyadparvez 6y ago

> They do say not worrying about patents, but that's because searching for patents could indeed make you liable as you were influenced by prior art. I've heard the same thing in startups and other companies. This is not something unique to Google.

lurkervizzle 6y ago

My previous company was acquired by Google and I totally agree with assessment. Immense respect for Google's investing, corp dev and legal arms in as much as I interacted with them. They always treated us fairly and were ethical in their interactions.