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Did you even read the article? In last year's statement he says that there are different shades of "open", and this year he all-of-a-sudden decides that there'

Did you even read the article? In last year's statement he says that there are different shades of "open", and this year he all-of-a-sudden decides that there's only one exact kind of open. Which conveniently happened only days after Google decided not to be as open just yet with their latest version of the Android OS. Gruber changes definitions of terms to suit his pro-Apple and anti-Google agenda whenever he sees fit. It's dead obvious to anyone that isn't a blatant fanboy for either side (which is hard for many of the traditionally pro-Apple HN reader-base).

Anechoic 16y ago
> [Gruber] says that there are different shades of "open" And Google stated their definition of open (http://twitter.com/#!/arubin/status/27808662429 http://twitter.com/#!/arubin/status/27808662429) only to turn their backs on it (if only for the moment).
- Pewpewarrows 16y ago
  They've always delayed the Open-Sourcing of their Android versions until a bit after the commercial release of a phone with that version on it. With Honeycomb, it'll be a slightly longer wait. Can you magically not do those commands in that tweet now? No, you still can. Does it suck that you can't checkout the latest files just yet? Yes. Is this delay being completely blown out of proportion? You betcha. But that won't stop pundits like Gruber from pouncing on every silly opportunity to discredit the competitor of their fanboy company.
  - cube13 16y ago
    >Can you magically not do those commands in that tweet now? No, you still can. Does it suck that you can't checkout the latest files just yet? Yes. Is this delay being completely blown out of proportion? You betcha. Uh, actually, you can't do those commands in the tweet if you own a Xoom, and want the source for it. You can own a device that is running an Linux-based open source OS, but can't get the code that's running on it. As far as I can tell, most of the delays for Android versions were on the order of a week or two after the SDK was released. That's a pretty acceptable delay because someone needs to go through Google's private branch, do a little cleanup, and commit the files to the public git repository. This isn't a "slightly longer wait". This is Google not upholding their commitment to the project. I'm actually surprised that the FSF isn't going after them for this, since the Linux core is GPL, and that means that the code needs to be released...
    - Pewpewarrows 16y ago
      It's a slightly longer wait. Instead of a few weeks it's a few months. Whatever clever rewording you want to do to "spin" it your way, at the end of the day it's just a bit more time to wait for them to open source the code, with good reason. You want the source code to work on for your tablet device? Just ask Google, they said they'll hand it right over. It's just not quite ready for the public to start hacking it on to phones.
- archgoon 16y ago
  >And Google stated their definition of open Which has nothing to do with Gruber's definition of open. If Gruber has his own definition of 'open' then it's that definition which matters when assessing whether he's being hypocritical or not.

Anechoic 16y ago

> [Gruber] says that there are different shades of "open" And Google stated their definition of open (http://twitter.com/#!/arubin/status/27808662429 http://twitter.com/#!/arubin/status/27808662429) only to turn their backs on it (if only for the moment).

Pewpewarrows 16y ago
They've always delayed the Open-Sourcing of their Android versions until a bit after the commercial release of a phone with that version on it. With Honeycomb, it'll be a slightly longer wait. Can you magically not do those commands in that tweet now? No, you still can. Does it suck that you can't checkout the latest files just yet? Yes. Is this delay being completely blown out of proportion? You betcha. But that won't stop pundits like Gruber from pouncing on every silly opportunity to discredit the competitor of their fanboy company.
- cube13 16y ago
  >Can you magically not do those commands in that tweet now? No, you still can. Does it suck that you can't checkout the latest files just yet? Yes. Is this delay being completely blown out of proportion? You betcha. Uh, actually, you can't do those commands in the tweet if you own a Xoom, and want the source for it. You can own a device that is running an Linux-based open source OS, but can't get the code that's running on it. As far as I can tell, most of the delays for Android versions were on the order of a week or two after the SDK was released. That's a pretty acceptable delay because someone needs to go through Google's private branch, do a little cleanup, and commit the files to the public git repository. This isn't a "slightly longer wait". This is Google not upholding their commitment to the project. I'm actually surprised that the FSF isn't going after them for this, since the Linux core is GPL, and that means that the code needs to be released...
  - Pewpewarrows 16y ago
    It's a slightly longer wait. Instead of a few weeks it's a few months. Whatever clever rewording you want to do to "spin" it your way, at the end of the day it's just a bit more time to wait for them to open source the code, with good reason. You want the source code to work on for your tablet device? Just ask Google, they said they'll hand it right over. It's just not quite ready for the public to start hacking it on to phones.
archgoon 16y ago
>And Google stated their definition of open Which has nothing to do with Gruber's definition of open. If Gruber has his own definition of 'open' then it's that definition which matters when assessing whether he's being hypocritical or not.