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what does this mean for the future of clojure? I am a bit worried that a startup has acquired two companies that have extremely deep experience in specialised

what does this mean for the future of clojure? I am a bit worried that a startup has acquired two companies that have extremely deep experience in specialised languages Platformatec (Elixir) and now Clojure (Cognitect)

draven 6y ago
The answer is in the blog post ("Nubank understands the unique value of Clojure and Datomic, and is committed to continuing both without disruption." and the bullet points that follow.)
- thom 6y ago
  That's what they _say_, it's not necessarily the answer to the question.
  - ilikehurdles 6y ago
    Well then what would you prefer the answer to be instead?
    - thom 6y ago
      "Nobody knows"
dkersten 6y ago
It sounds like not much will change. I do wonder about datomic, though, as people I’ve spoken to at Clojure conferences seem to have made use of Cognitect’s consulting as a kind of more advanced support mechanism and they say that they will stop the consulting work.
- stuarthalloway 6y ago
  All Datomic consulting will continue.
  - nojito 6y ago
    It says this in your post. Cognitect will continue to offer professional services for Datomic customers, but will transition out of general consulting development. Does this mean your general consulting services are going away?
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    - mark_l_watson 6y ago
      I friend of mine hired the principles at Cognitect to kick off a Clojure/Datomic project. They were like a force of nature, really, and very quickly got things set up and helped with architectural decisions, etc. I would imagine that they have helped hundreds of customers this way. From the blog post, I think that the answer to your question is yes: they will stop general consulting services.
      - randompwd 6y ago
        Here's hoping they release a getting started project now that they've dipped out of general consulting.There must have been a standard-ish template in use.
  - dkersten 6y ago
    Great, so it sounds like not much will change for external users of Clojure and Datomic. Sounds like the the biggest change is in terms of funding. Sounds good to me, congratulations! EDIT: I guess my confusion was between professional services for Datomic and general consulting, since both were mentioned in the context of Datomic.
fulafel 6y ago
Would Nubank be still considered a startup?
michel_dib 6y ago
Disclaimer: I am a Nubank employee, so there might be bias. Regarding the future of Clojure, I believe that not much will change actually. Before Clojure was sponsored by Cognitect and had Rich's / Stu's and Alex's stewardship and that's gonna continue to be the case just swapping the sponsoring company behind it. IMHO it's only on Nubank's best interest to have a strong community around Clojure and Datomic as well. About Platformatec I think that was a very different thing, it was more an acqui-hiring, and before Elxir's stewardship was under the company (but having very different development dynamics compared to Clojure) and after the agreement, it was transferred to the community. So the company was pretty much dissolved after the contract, and back then, that was clear and transparent, as it was announced to happen.
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kamaal 6y ago
I think the history of large companies hiring maintainers/authors of programming languages/libraries they use has so far gone good. Take for example php, perl(booking.com, bbc, craigslist), js(fb etc). The language needs to be supported financially though. Companies are not living beings, typically its some SVP making decisions. Sometimes they do support, but sometimes big shots do feel programmers are spending too much time working for greater good, while they should be working for company profits. So it depends on the bosses you report to. There is no easy answer to this question, because many times it just comes to down to one person making decisions.
regularfry 6y ago
What would somewhat worry me somewhat is what the situation would be if Nubank went pop, and Cognitect were no longer in a position to step back in as sponsors.
halostatue 6y ago
The acquisition of Plataformatec will have almost no impact on Elixir, as Jose Valim had already moved to/created a new firm, Dashbit.

draven 6y ago

The answer is in the blog post ("Nubank understands the unique value of Clojure and Datomic, and is committed to continuing both without disruption." and the bullet points that follow.)

thom 6y ago
That's what they _say_, it's not necessarily the answer to the question.
- ilikehurdles 6y ago
  Well then what would you prefer the answer to be instead?
  - thom 6y ago
    "Nobody knows"

dkersten 6y ago

It sounds like not much will change. I do wonder about datomic, though, as people I’ve spoken to at Clojure conferences seem to have made use of Cognitect’s consulting as a kind of more advanced support mechanism and they say that they will stop the consulting work.

stuarthalloway 6y ago
All Datomic consulting will continue.
- nojito 6y ago
  It says this in your post. Cognitect will continue to offer professional services for Datomic customers, but will transition out of general consulting development. Does this mean your general consulting services are going away?
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - mark_l_watson 6y ago
    I friend of mine hired the principles at Cognitect to kick off a Clojure/Datomic project. They were like a force of nature, really, and very quickly got things set up and helped with architectural decisions, etc. I would imagine that they have helped hundreds of customers this way. From the blog post, I think that the answer to your question is yes: they will stop general consulting services.
    - randompwd 6y ago
      Here's hoping they release a getting started project now that they've dipped out of general consulting.There must have been a standard-ish template in use.
- dkersten 6y ago
  Great, so it sounds like not much will change for external users of Clojure and Datomic. Sounds like the the biggest change is in terms of funding. Sounds good to me, congratulations! EDIT: I guess my confusion was between professional services for Datomic and general consulting, since both were mentioned in the context of Datomic.

fulafel 6y ago

Would Nubank be still considered a startup?

michel_dib 6y ago

Disclaimer: I am a Nubank employee, so there might be bias. Regarding the future of Clojure, I believe that not much will change actually. Before Clojure was sponsored by Cognitect and had Rich's / Stu's and Alex's stewardship and that's gonna continue to be the case just swapping the sponsoring company behind it. IMHO it's only on Nubank's best interest to have a strong community around Clojure and Datomic as well. About Platformatec I think that was a very different thing, it was more an acqui-hiring, and before Elxir's stewardship was under the company (but having very different development dynamics compared to Clojure) and after the agreement, it was transferred to the community. So the company was pretty much dissolved after the contract, and back then, that was clear and transparent, as it was announced to happen.

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kamaal 6y ago

I think the history of large companies hiring maintainers/authors of programming languages/libraries they use has so far gone good. Take for example php, perl(booking.com, bbc, craigslist), js(fb etc). The language needs to be supported financially though. Companies are not living beings, typically its some SVP making decisions. Sometimes they do support, but sometimes big shots do feel programmers are spending too much time working for greater good, while they should be working for company profits. So it depends on the bosses you report to. There is no easy answer to this question, because many times it just comes to down to one person making decisions.

regularfry 6y ago

What would somewhat worry me somewhat is what the situation would be if Nubank went pop, and Cognitect were no longer in a position to step back in as sponsors.

halostatue 6y ago

The acquisition of Plataformatec will have almost no impact on Elixir, as Jose Valim had already moved to/created a new firm, Dashbit.