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This is not true. With fiber, if you want to go full-duplex, you need to specify which frequencies you want to use per direction. Because 99.9% of users use muc

by _hl_ 6y ago

This is not true. With fiber, if you want to go full-duplex, you need to specify which frequencies you want to use per direction. Because 99.9% of users use much, much more downlink thank uplink, it does not make sense to reserve an equal amount of bandwidth for up and downlink, because that would reduce the uplink bandwidth per fibre. Symmetric bandwidth is wasteful for everyone but the content providers (who might even want asymmetric bandwidth but with more up than downlink).

shmerl 6y ago
There is no reason, except if you don't invest to have enough bandwidth for your users, which you shouldn't have a problem with, given the available technology. So again, it's not a technical issue. No need to be a cheapskate and excuse it with "wastefulness". Available bandwidth is growing faster than what you can use.
- _hl_ 6y ago
  Yes, there is also no reason why I don’t have a personal road built from my house to my workplace reserved solely for me, it’s only a matter of investment. Almost nobody needs that investment, and if you’re going to lay more fibre, you’re better off providing even more downlink capacity.
  - shmerl 6y ago
    Available bandwidth still grows faster than what you can use. So there is no reason not to provide symmetrical bandwidth. And price of that bandwidth is also only going down.
welterde 6y ago
I think you are thinking of coax (cable) and not FTTH. Fiber has a much wider frequency range and one tends to think in wavelength terms and not frequency. And rarely is more than two wavelengths used for connecting customers (leaving most capacity of the fiber unused). With FTTH there are two common deployment strategies: dedicated fiber per customer (then there is no reason at all why it wouldn't be symmetric) or (G)PON. With GPON the issue is that multiple customers share the downlink and uplink. And while it's easy to make the downstream burstable (meaning you can use more than 1Gbit/N - with N being the number of customers sharing the upstream GPON port), since only the ISP transmits in that direction for the upstream each customer gets assigned a timeslot to transmit (since GPON only uses a single wavelength for transmit and another one for receive). This means that even if the connection is symmetric at the ISP end (1G down and 1G up) one customer only gets 1G/N uplink bandwidth while they might briefly be able to completely saturate the downstream.
- shmerl 6y ago
  NG-PON2 improves on that by a huge margin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NG-PON2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NG-PON2

by _hl_ 6y ago

shmerl 6y ago

There is no reason, except if you don't invest to have enough bandwidth for your users, which you shouldn't have a problem with, given the available technology. So again, it's not a technical issue. No need to be a cheapskate and excuse it with "wastefulness". Available bandwidth is growing faster than what you can use.

_hl_ 6y ago
Yes, there is also no reason why I don’t have a personal road built from my house to my workplace reserved solely for me, it’s only a matter of investment. Almost nobody needs that investment, and if you’re going to lay more fibre, you’re better off providing even more downlink capacity.
- shmerl 6y ago
  Available bandwidth still grows faster than what you can use. So there is no reason not to provide symmetrical bandwidth. And price of that bandwidth is also only going down.

welterde 6y ago

I think you are thinking of coax (cable) and not FTTH. Fiber has a much wider frequency range and one tends to think in wavelength terms and not frequency. And rarely is more than two wavelengths used for connecting customers (leaving most capacity of the fiber unused). With FTTH there are two common deployment strategies: dedicated fiber per customer (then there is no reason at all why it wouldn't be symmetric) or (G)PON. With GPON the issue is that multiple customers share the downlink and uplink. And while it's easy to make the downstream burstable (meaning you can use more than 1Gbit/N - with N being the number of customers sharing the upstream GPON port), since only the ISP transmits in that direction for the upstream each customer gets assigned a timeslot to transmit (since GPON only uses a single wavelength for transmit and another one for receive). This means that even if the connection is symmetric at the ISP end (1G down and 1G up) one customer only gets 1G/N uplink bandwidth while they might briefly be able to completely saturate the downstream.

shmerl 6y ago
NG-PON2 improves on that by a huge margin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NG-PON2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NG-PON2