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They tried once to silence Q by taking down 8chan. Like Obi-Wan, he just came back stronger.

by Fjolsvith 6y ago

shadowgovt 6y ago
The mistake there was trying only once.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  They didn't make that mistake. They tried to shut down 8kun, repeatedly. So many times that 8kun was able to harden their services with the assistance of the DOD. I always wondered why the military was helping 8kun. [1] 1. https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1194054383488516096 https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1194054383488516096
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    The fact that I haven't heard of 8kun until right now is indicative of the utility of shutting these things down. If people have to go to a backwater site only known about by word-of-mouth, that's fine. Much better than broadcasting conspiracies through Twitter and FB. "There is a secret truth to the universe known only to this secret cabal in the back of this drinking parlor" is an old trope. Far more expected than "There is a secret truth to the universe and Twitter is letting the nutters who believe in it multicast it via one of the most populated social networks on the planet." Better for Twitter to give it the axe, lest people confuse a badly-hashed-together conspiracy theory for actual truth.
    - AndrewBissell 6y ago
      You not having heard of 8kun really hasn't done a damn thing to slow down QAnon, actually. You're not in their target audience and they don't need you on board to achieve their purposes. The best way to combat conspiracy theories like QAnon would be for our elites and institutions to stop constantly preying upon the people and lying to them about it via a neutered press, and actually hold some members of their own class accountable for once. The massively corrupt corporate giveaway that was the Covid stimulus is a great recent example. The Epstein case being slow walked by the FBI for 25 years and then trying to sweep it all under the rug with "oops he killed himself while the guards were asleep and the cameras malfunctioned!" is another. As long as this kind of stuff continues, people will attempt (often haphazardly and incorrectly) to understand how and why it isn't being stopped, and who's in charge of it. They will be easy targets for grifters and bunkum artists who rush in to fill the gaps left by complete radio silence on the part of mainstream media sources. You know, I don't agree with QAnon and think it has many properties of a dangerous cult, but they do at least have one advantage over run-of-the-mill liberals in correctly identifying the ruling elite as the chief cause of the world's problems, instead of constantly focusing blame on "deplorable" Trump supporters with zero actual power or influence.
      - shadowgovt 6y ago
        I'm not sure how one concludes that the body politic that elected Donald Trump as President of the United States has zero actual power or influence.
        AndrewBissell 6y ago
        By recognizing that electoral success doesn't actually translate into direct implementation of the voters' preferred agenda, as both the Trump and Obama administrations starkly demonstrate.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        Ah, okay. And thank God it doesn't, as both the Trump and Obama administrations starkly demonstrate.
        AndrewBissell 6y ago
        Yeah god forbid we get something like accountability for the financial sector after 2008, an actual end to our ruinous wars in the Middle East, any sort of investment in real infrastructure or re-industrialization in the U.S., or an actual draining of the swamp of corruption in DC. Thank heavens the power elite knows what's best for the voters better than they do.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        And by the same coin, thank God we didn't get a giant wall along the border, didn't kick out people from the United States who have lived here their entire rememberable lives, and didn't abolish social security, Medicare, and Medicaid. The problem with expecting representative government to do "What the people want" is the people want a lot of things. Many of them incompatible. Some of them terrible ideas.
        AndrewBissell 6y ago
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      > Better for Twitter to give it the axe, lest people confuse a badly-hashed-together conspiracy theory for actual truth. QAnon just needs you to believe it a conspiracy theory a little longer.
      - shadowgovt 6y ago
        If it's not a conspiracy theory, what is it?
        Fjolsvith 6y ago
        Call it war.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        Wars have two sides. Who's on the two sides of the QAnon... "not conspiracy?"
        Fjolsvith 6y ago
        Educate yourself. You might find out which side you're on. Take the red pill.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        Already done, and I find the entire thing entirely wanting. That's the thing about conspiracy theories, they differ from reality because reality is consistent; conspiracies are merely internally consistent. They break down in the light of real world evidence. A man threatened people in a pizza parlor, demanding to see the pedophile ring running out of the basement of that building. The building had no basement. It would be amusing, or pitiful, if he hadn't had a gun to do the threatening. A theory doesn't deserve a second chance after something as foolish as that. I wish you the best of luck out there, and I hope you get out of the grip of this 4chan-originated delusion. I wish I could help you, but on this side of the facts, the whole thing is so ridiculous that I don't understand how anybody sees it hang together.
AndrewBissell 6y ago
Sure wish he'd use some of that epic strength to actually deliver on some of those high-profile elite pedophile arrests he keeps promising. Trump's first term is almost up and instead of being in prison, Hillary Clinton is chumming around on Zoom calls with Lin-Manuel Miranda. Where's the damn beef?
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  You are aware of the conviction rate federal prosecutors have? They don't do anything until they have all the evidence they need for a conviction. And, if there's a group of people involved, they just seal the indictments until they have the evidence to convict all of them. There's a huge number of them involved. You can view the number of sealed federal indictments by state on the qmap.pub site. Be patient, the arrests are coming.
  - AndrewBissell 6y ago
    Can't wait to read Q posts in Feb 2021 about how "Biden winning the election was a necessary headfake, Trump is still secretly the POTUS actually, stay tuned, the indictments will be unsealed any day now."
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      Labor day is what I can't wait for.

They tried once to silence Q by taking down 8chan. Like Obi-Wan, he just came back stronger.

shadowgovt 6y ago

The mistake there was trying only once.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
They didn't make that mistake. They tried to shut down 8kun, repeatedly. So many times that 8kun was able to harden their services with the assistance of the DOD. I always wondered why the military was helping 8kun. [1] 1. https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1194054383488516096 https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1194054383488516096
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  The fact that I haven't heard of 8kun until right now is indicative of the utility of shutting these things down. If people have to go to a backwater site only known about by word-of-mouth, that's fine. Much better than broadcasting conspiracies through Twitter and FB. "There is a secret truth to the universe known only to this secret cabal in the back of this drinking parlor" is an old trope. Far more expected than "There is a secret truth to the universe and Twitter is letting the nutters who believe in it multicast it via one of the most populated social networks on the planet." Better for Twitter to give it the axe, lest people confuse a badly-hashed-together conspiracy theory for actual truth.
  - AndrewBissell 6y ago
    You not having heard of 8kun really hasn't done a damn thing to slow down QAnon, actually. You're not in their target audience and they don't need you on board to achieve their purposes. The best way to combat conspiracy theories like QAnon would be for our elites and institutions to stop constantly preying upon the people and lying to them about it via a neutered press, and actually hold some members of their own class accountable for once. The massively corrupt corporate giveaway that was the Covid stimulus is a great recent example. The Epstein case being slow walked by the FBI for 25 years and then trying to sweep it all under the rug with "oops he killed himself while the guards were asleep and the cameras malfunctioned!" is another. As long as this kind of stuff continues, people will attempt (often haphazardly and incorrectly) to understand how and why it isn't being stopped, and who's in charge of it. They will be easy targets for grifters and bunkum artists who rush in to fill the gaps left by complete radio silence on the part of mainstream media sources. You know, I don't agree with QAnon and think it has many properties of a dangerous cult, but they do at least have one advantage over run-of-the-mill liberals in correctly identifying the ruling elite as the chief cause of the world's problems, instead of constantly focusing blame on "deplorable" Trump supporters with zero actual power or influence.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      I'm not sure how one concludes that the body politic that elected Donald Trump as President of the United States has zero actual power or influence.
      - AndrewBissell 6y ago
        By recognizing that electoral success doesn't actually translate into direct implementation of the voters' preferred agenda, as both the Trump and Obama administrations starkly demonstrate.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        Ah, okay. And thank God it doesn't, as both the Trump and Obama administrations starkly demonstrate.
        AndrewBissell 6y ago
        Yeah god forbid we get something like accountability for the financial sector after 2008, an actual end to our ruinous wars in the Middle East, any sort of investment in real infrastructure or re-industrialization in the U.S., or an actual draining of the swamp of corruption in DC. Thank heavens the power elite knows what's best for the voters better than they do.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        And by the same coin, thank God we didn't get a giant wall along the border, didn't kick out people from the United States who have lived here their entire rememberable lives, and didn't abolish social security, Medicare, and Medicaid. The problem with expecting representative government to do "What the people want" is the people want a lot of things. Many of them incompatible. Some of them terrible ideas.
        AndrewBissell 6y ago
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    > Better for Twitter to give it the axe, lest people confuse a badly-hashed-together conspiracy theory for actual truth. QAnon just needs you to believe it a conspiracy theory a little longer.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      If it's not a conspiracy theory, what is it?
      - Fjolsvith 6y ago
        Call it war.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        Wars have two sides. Who's on the two sides of the QAnon... "not conspiracy?"
        Fjolsvith 6y ago
        Educate yourself. You might find out which side you're on. Take the red pill.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        Already done, and I find the entire thing entirely wanting. That's the thing about conspiracy theories, they differ from reality because reality is consistent; conspiracies are merely internally consistent. They break down in the light of real world evidence. A man threatened people in a pizza parlor, demanding to see the pedophile ring running out of the basement of that building. The building had no basement. It would be amusing, or pitiful, if he hadn't had a gun to do the threatening. A theory doesn't deserve a second chance after something as foolish as that. I wish you the best of luck out there, and I hope you get out of the grip of this 4chan-originated delusion. I wish I could help you, but on this side of the facts, the whole thing is so ridiculous that I don't understand how anybody sees it hang together.

AndrewBissell 6y ago

Sure wish he'd use some of that epic strength to actually deliver on some of those high-profile elite pedophile arrests he keeps promising. Trump's first term is almost up and instead of being in prison, Hillary Clinton is chumming around on Zoom calls with Lin-Manuel Miranda. Where's the damn beef?

Fjolsvith 6y ago
You are aware of the conviction rate federal prosecutors have? They don't do anything until they have all the evidence they need for a conviction. And, if there's a group of people involved, they just seal the indictments until they have the evidence to convict all of them. There's a huge number of them involved. You can view the number of sealed federal indictments by state on the qmap.pub site. Be patient, the arrests are coming.
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  Can't wait to read Q posts in Feb 2021 about how "Biden winning the election was a necessary headfake, Trump is still secretly the POTUS actually, stay tuned, the indictments will be unsealed any day now."
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Labor day is what I can't wait for.