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Nonsense. Tesla doesn't even make batteries, they pay Panasonic to make their batteries with some Chinese batteries on the side.

jedberg 6y ago
They designed the batteries that Panasonic makes exclusively for them and they are building their own cells in Fremont.
- DanCarvajal 6y ago
  Neither of these things are true, they're at best modified off the shelf cells. They don't make cells at Fremont, at best the pack them into packs. There's no regulatory filings for cell production at Fremont. The whole argument is that they could use off the shelf materials at scale to attain profitability, since that hasn't happened the goalposts keep being moved by Musk, rumors, and myths.
  - jedberg 6y ago
    https://electrek.co/2020/02/11/tesla-building-pilot-battery-cell-manufacturing-line-fremont/ https://electrek.co/2020/02/11/tesla-building-pilot-battery-... "Now we’ve learned that Tesla is building a battery cell pilot production line in Fremont" "Tesla currently buy cells from Panasonic made in Japan for Model S and Model X, as well as cells made by Panasonic at Tesla’s Gigafactory 1 in Nevada for Model 3. The automaker used those cells, which they help design, to make their own modules and battery packs, but they have never produced their own cells."
    - DanCarvajal 6y ago
      No I see where the confusion is, you think Electrek and Fred Lambert is anything other than propaganda unit for Tesla PR. Well at this point I can't help you.
vardump 6y ago
They're already producing in Fremont and on track for TWh scale battery production in Texas. I think it's fair to say Tesla is a battery company, at least in part.
- DanCarvajal 6y ago
  No and no, the don't produce cells in Fremont at best they pack cells into packs. Given there's no plant in Texas there's nothing concrete to substantiate your claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinarily evidence.
  - vardump 6y ago
    Assembling batteries is assembling batteries. Next they'll produce cells, but I guess you won't accept it either because they don't produce anode material or whatever. It irks me because you clearly do understand they're currently building the factory after years of research (and buying up some startups).

jedberg 6y ago

They designed the batteries that Panasonic makes exclusively for them and they are building their own cells in Fremont.

DanCarvajal 6y ago
Neither of these things are true, they're at best modified off the shelf cells. They don't make cells at Fremont, at best the pack them into packs. There's no regulatory filings for cell production at Fremont. The whole argument is that they could use off the shelf materials at scale to attain profitability, since that hasn't happened the goalposts keep being moved by Musk, rumors, and myths.
- jedberg 6y ago
  https://electrek.co/2020/02/11/tesla-building-pilot-battery-cell-manufacturing-line-fremont/ https://electrek.co/2020/02/11/tesla-building-pilot-battery-... "Now we’ve learned that Tesla is building a battery cell pilot production line in Fremont" "Tesla currently buy cells from Panasonic made in Japan for Model S and Model X, as well as cells made by Panasonic at Tesla’s Gigafactory 1 in Nevada for Model 3. The automaker used those cells, which they help design, to make their own modules and battery packs, but they have never produced their own cells."
  - DanCarvajal 6y ago
    No I see where the confusion is, you think Electrek and Fred Lambert is anything other than propaganda unit for Tesla PR. Well at this point I can't help you.

vardump 6y ago

They're already producing in Fremont and on track for TWh scale battery production in Texas. I think it's fair to say Tesla is a battery company, at least in part.

DanCarvajal 6y ago
No and no, the don't produce cells in Fremont at best they pack cells into packs. Given there's no plant in Texas there's nothing concrete to substantiate your claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinarily evidence.
- vardump 6y ago
  Assembling batteries is assembling batteries. Next they'll produce cells, but I guess you won't accept it either because they don't produce anode material or whatever. It irks me because you clearly do understand they're currently building the factory after years of research (and buying up some startups).