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I can understand the relationship between the two is what makes the difference. But the framework and the tools must as well. Given the same level of trust, em

I can understand the relationship between the two is what makes the difference. But the framework and the tools must as well. Given the same level of trust, empathy, communication, etc, one form of therapy should give different results than other. They can't all be equal. Unless ofc none of them do anything. I can find no other possible explaination.

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jschwartzi 6y ago
The framework and the tools are mechanisms for establishing trust and for eliciting feelings and sensations. But it's the rapport with the therapist that seems to matter the most.
kennywinker 6y ago
> They can't all be equal Unless ofc none of them do anything. I often think of my therapist like a personal trainer. If you get a personal trainer, and go regularly, you will get fit. The particular workout they use does not matter so much as just going. Maybe one trainer would improve my cardio more, another would make me better at lifting weights and burst strength. Either way I am going to be healthier for going.
- trabant00 6y ago
  Running and weighlifting clearly net different results. So no.
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    Different patients have different therapeutic needs. So yes. More specifically, just like some clients of a personal trainer may need to lose bodyfat and some may need to gain muscle, implying that cardio may be indicated for some people and weightlifting for others; patients with different therapeutic needs may benefit from different therapies.
  - kennywinker 6y ago
    Weightlifting increases your resting metabolism, while cardio burns more calories per session. If you were doing either of these in the right ratio, and sampled weekly for total calories burned, you would not be able to tell the difference between the two. Similarly, I'm not arguing that there is no difference between different therapies, just that the way we measure is only able to say the equivalent of "most types of regular exercise result in increased burning of calories"
    - trabant00 6y ago
      Calories burned is just such a small part of exercising, weightlifting and running have massive differences in results in all other areas. Saying you can't tell the difference between the two is just ridiculous, I'm sorry. But ok, let's just focus on the single aspect that makes your argument hold a drop of water: calories. If you try to burn as much calories with weightlifting you will end up at least overtrained if not injured (thousands of calories per day eaten by PED users does not count). Running on the other hand can get you to Auschwitz physique pretty safely. Which brings me to another massive difference: the failure scenarios of both techniques. You can get injured and harm your health in completely different ways. Weight lifting has vastly higher injure rates. What about therapy? There is something that can influence you but only in a good way? No way to over do it or do it wrongly? And all techniques are equal in this regard as well? I can tell you another thing which has these properties of "all are equal, nothing can harm you": homeopathy. Because again, it doesn't do anything.

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jschwartzi 6y ago

The framework and the tools are mechanisms for establishing trust and for eliciting feelings and sensations. But it's the rapport with the therapist that seems to matter the most.

kennywinker 6y ago

> They can't all be equal Unless ofc none of them do anything. I often think of my therapist like a personal trainer. If you get a personal trainer, and go regularly, you will get fit. The particular workout they use does not matter so much as just going. Maybe one trainer would improve my cardio more, another would make me better at lifting weights and burst strength. Either way I am going to be healthier for going.

trabant00 6y ago
Running and weighlifting clearly net different results. So no.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  Different patients have different therapeutic needs. So yes. More specifically, just like some clients of a personal trainer may need to lose bodyfat and some may need to gain muscle, implying that cardio may be indicated for some people and weightlifting for others; patients with different therapeutic needs may benefit from different therapies.
- kennywinker 6y ago
  Weightlifting increases your resting metabolism, while cardio burns more calories per session. If you were doing either of these in the right ratio, and sampled weekly for total calories burned, you would not be able to tell the difference between the two. Similarly, I'm not arguing that there is no difference between different therapies, just that the way we measure is only able to say the equivalent of "most types of regular exercise result in increased burning of calories"
  - trabant00 6y ago
    Calories burned is just such a small part of exercising, weightlifting and running have massive differences in results in all other areas. Saying you can't tell the difference between the two is just ridiculous, I'm sorry. But ok, let's just focus on the single aspect that makes your argument hold a drop of water: calories. If you try to burn as much calories with weightlifting you will end up at least overtrained if not injured (thousands of calories per day eaten by PED users does not count). Running on the other hand can get you to Auschwitz physique pretty safely. Which brings me to another massive difference: the failure scenarios of both techniques. You can get injured and harm your health in completely different ways. Weight lifting has vastly higher injure rates. What about therapy? There is something that can influence you but only in a good way? No way to over do it or do it wrongly? And all techniques are equal in this regard as well? I can tell you another thing which has these properties of "all are equal, nothing can harm you": homeopathy. Because again, it doesn't do anything.