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I am still amazed some people want to do devops. Write yaml, run script, wait 15 minutes, oh no a typo lets retry. The developer experience is worse than nearly

I am still amazed some people want to do devops. Write yaml, run script, wait 15 minutes, oh no a typo lets retry. The developer experience is worse than nearly everything that came before it, and I would include ancient PHP and callback-hell nodejs in that. The AWS web UI isn’t much better. Looking forward to finally try Pulumi in a project.

marcocampos 6y ago
How will Pulumi fix the issues you mentioned?
- MrBuddyCasino 6y ago
  By doing what XML-with-schema did 15 years ago: give compile-time type checking, making sure at least the syntax and types are valid. Ever had CloudFormation yell at you because some function like "Sub!" only accepts alphanumeric characters? Created complicated constructs because there are no variables, and very limited conditionals? Copy-pasted templates like an insane person because there is no way to abstract anything? Not my idea of fun. All of this is solved by using a proper programming language.
boarnoah 6y ago
Could you elaborate on what you think it does better than say Terraform. I looked at their comparison page https://www.pulumi.com/docs/intro/vs/terraform/ https://www.pulumi.com/docs/intro/vs/terraform/ and while there is an argument to be made re: being able to write in a more familiar language, its kind of a moot point when config is mostly key value pairs. The biggest paint point with something like Terraform is the fact that it can't actually validate cloud provider specific problems (for example declaring an Compute instance with a compute type (string) that doesn't actually exist). Does Pulumi try to address this in some way (granted its much easier to write your own checks like that in language as opposed to writing a go module for Terraform providers).
- jen20 6y ago
  > (for example declaring an Compute instance with a compute type (string) that doesn't actually exist). Does Pulumi try to address this in some way Yes, the AWS Pulumi SDK package includes a discriminated union of valid instance types, and the type of the property `aws.ec2.Instance::instanceType` is that union. (Disclaimer: I am a former maintainer of Terraform and a contributor to Pulumi).

marcocampos 6y ago

How will Pulumi fix the issues you mentioned?

MrBuddyCasino 6y ago
By doing what XML-with-schema did 15 years ago: give compile-time type checking, making sure at least the syntax and types are valid. Ever had CloudFormation yell at you because some function like "Sub!" only accepts alphanumeric characters? Created complicated constructs because there are no variables, and very limited conditionals? Copy-pasted templates like an insane person because there is no way to abstract anything? Not my idea of fun. All of this is solved by using a proper programming language.

boarnoah 6y ago

Could you elaborate on what you think it does better than say Terraform. I looked at their comparison page https://www.pulumi.com/docs/intro/vs/terraform/ https://www.pulumi.com/docs/intro/vs/terraform/ and while there is an argument to be made re: being able to write in a more familiar language, its kind of a moot point when config is mostly key value pairs. The biggest paint point with something like Terraform is the fact that it can't actually validate cloud provider specific problems (for example declaring an Compute instance with a compute type (string) that doesn't actually exist). Does Pulumi try to address this in some way (granted its much easier to write your own checks like that in language as opposed to writing a go module for Terraform providers).

jen20 6y ago
> (for example declaring an Compute instance with a compute type (string) that doesn't actually exist). Does Pulumi try to address this in some way Yes, the AWS Pulumi SDK package includes a discriminated union of valid instance types, and the type of the property `aws.ec2.Instance::instanceType` is that union. (Disclaimer: I am a former maintainer of Terraform and a contributor to Pulumi).