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But.. why? It's a great piece of engineering and it looks cool! I couldn't have cared less if it was used by the military when I was a kid and I sure don't care

But.. why? It's a great piece of engineering and it looks cool! I couldn't have cared less if it was used by the military when I was a kid and I sure don't care now. I honestly don't understand what's the point of these campaigns - it's not like much will change about armed conflicts just because you hide it from retail shelves...

ganoushoreilly 6y ago
It's a quick dopamine kick for people to feel like they're doing something good. When the reality is they're not equipped or interested in fighting actual issues. This is easy, so they push for it. I mentioned in another response that it's dangerous logic too. By this standard all the DC, Marvel, and Star Wars sets need to be removed for creating a positive view of violence. It's just dumb. Besides, Technic is literally a series about technical feats, of which, the Osprey is.
baddox 6y ago
Maybe LEGO do care about what children’s toys represent and the consequences of that in the real world.
- ganoushoreilly 6y ago
  They've toed the line carefully, but this is nonsense and you won't be able to convince me otherwise. Plenty of lego sets project violence and violent actions more than an Osprey.
  - elliekelly 6y ago
    Surely you can appreciate that there is a distinction between “violence” and “war”. A distinction that is evidently important to Lego since the company has a longstanding policy against producing sets that depict military vehicles and, to your point, a long history of producing sets that do indeed depict varying degrees of violence.
    - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
      Except the Osprey isn't exclusively a war Craft. An apache would be. Have you flown commercial before? If so you've indirectly funded the Military in the same manner. Are we going to stop using commercial transport?
    - angelbar 6y ago
      Stop war, dont pay taxes.
    - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
      Also, Lego has a history of having produced SPECIFIC military vehicles. https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/sopwith-camel-10226 https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/sopwith-camel-10226 https://brickset.com/sets/10024-1/Red-Baron https://brickset.com/sets/10024-1/Red-Baron
      - hatsunearu 6y ago
        Damn, it even has very obvious machine guns.
        ganoushoreilly 6y ago
        Love guns <3 Usually the next comment is.. but that was long ago. Which is so Ironic give the other hot bed issues about things from long ago. People just want to be outraged for any reason. That in turn creates more outrage. I'll buy the Mould King / Lepin (whatever they're branded as now) model and be done with it.
        rbanffy 6y ago
        There is a non-zero chance of a kid seeing the Lego brand on a box with a vehicle the foreigners who killed their friends used to invade their country. While most Americans see their military as a force for good, that sentiment is not echoed everywhere. Not all people are grateful for being "liberated" that way. I can understand why Lego would not want that.
- racl101 6y ago
  and they're now just realizing it 10 days before release? Now they realize they have values and morals? Lol. Please! They just don't want to be on the wrong side politically. That's all. They'd have released this thing if no one had complained, because like most companies, all they really care about is making money. Pure pandering at its most blatant.
  - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
    It's ok, because now it's cool to be a woke brand.. until it's not.
  - baddox 6y ago
    Why do you think there is something wrong with responding to a petition?
  - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
    100%. It's just modern virtue signaling outrage. No one pressed them to cancel these sets when released? How many kids bought these and decided to go out and attack people with Bi-Planes? https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/sopwith-camel-10226 https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/sopwith-camel-10226 https://brickset.com/sets/10024-1/Red-Baron https://brickset.com/sets/10024-1/Red-Baron
    - baddox 6y ago
      Both of those sets seem to be no longer sold.
      - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
        Yes, they discontinue them after a year or two. The point made is this is a 2010 policy everyone is referencing about a vehicle that has no overt military connection in design. Where as the Sopwith for example, is a set released in 2012, that is explicitly related to the military and specifically to WWI. I'm just pointing out that the Osprey isn't a big deal. It's a VTOL that happens to be used by the military. There are hundreds of sets that could be seen as more violent that are made today, many you could argue break this rule.

ganoushoreilly 6y ago

It's a quick dopamine kick for people to feel like they're doing something good. When the reality is they're not equipped or interested in fighting actual issues. This is easy, so they push for it. I mentioned in another response that it's dangerous logic too. By this standard all the DC, Marvel, and Star Wars sets need to be removed for creating a positive view of violence. It's just dumb. Besides, Technic is literally a series about technical feats, of which, the Osprey is.

baddox 6y ago

Maybe LEGO do care about what children’s toys represent and the consequences of that in the real world.

ganoushoreilly 6y ago
They've toed the line carefully, but this is nonsense and you won't be able to convince me otherwise. Plenty of lego sets project violence and violent actions more than an Osprey.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  Surely you can appreciate that there is a distinction between “violence” and “war”. A distinction that is evidently important to Lego since the company has a longstanding policy against producing sets that depict military vehicles and, to your point, a long history of producing sets that do indeed depict varying degrees of violence.
  - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
    Except the Osprey isn't exclusively a war Craft. An apache would be. Have you flown commercial before? If so you've indirectly funded the Military in the same manner. Are we going to stop using commercial transport?
  - angelbar 6y ago
    Stop war, dont pay taxes.
  - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
    Also, Lego has a history of having produced SPECIFIC military vehicles. https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/sopwith-camel-10226 https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/sopwith-camel-10226 https://brickset.com/sets/10024-1/Red-Baron https://brickset.com/sets/10024-1/Red-Baron
    - hatsunearu 6y ago
      Damn, it even has very obvious machine guns.
      - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
        Love guns <3 Usually the next comment is.. but that was long ago. Which is so Ironic give the other hot bed issues about things from long ago. People just want to be outraged for any reason. That in turn creates more outrage. I'll buy the Mould King / Lepin (whatever they're branded as now) model and be done with it.
        rbanffy 6y ago
        There is a non-zero chance of a kid seeing the Lego brand on a box with a vehicle the foreigners who killed their friends used to invade their country. While most Americans see their military as a force for good, that sentiment is not echoed everywhere. Not all people are grateful for being "liberated" that way. I can understand why Lego would not want that.
racl101 6y ago
and they're now just realizing it 10 days before release? Now they realize they have values and morals? Lol. Please! They just don't want to be on the wrong side politically. That's all. They'd have released this thing if no one had complained, because like most companies, all they really care about is making money. Pure pandering at its most blatant.
- ganoushoreilly 6y ago
  It's ok, because now it's cool to be a woke brand.. until it's not.
- baddox 6y ago
  Why do you think there is something wrong with responding to a petition?
- ganoushoreilly 6y ago
  100%. It's just modern virtue signaling outrage. No one pressed them to cancel these sets when released? How many kids bought these and decided to go out and attack people with Bi-Planes? https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/sopwith-camel-10226 https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/sopwith-camel-10226 https://brickset.com/sets/10024-1/Red-Baron https://brickset.com/sets/10024-1/Red-Baron
  - baddox 6y ago
    Both of those sets seem to be no longer sold.
    - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
      Yes, they discontinue them after a year or two. The point made is this is a 2010 policy everyone is referencing about a vehicle that has no overt military connection in design. Where as the Sopwith for example, is a set released in 2012, that is explicitly related to the military and specifically to WWI. I'm just pointing out that the Osprey isn't a big deal. It's a VTOL that happens to be used by the military. There are hundreds of sets that could be seen as more violent that are made today, many you could argue break this rule.